My bad.

As for Moshe's post, take out Brad Fisher and add Scotland and Stevens then. We didn't do as badly out of those 2 draft periods as people make out. Most of the damage was done before and after...

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If only the 50m arc was 40m he's have been a sensation.

Thank god you're not the dreaded Mascaponi.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Funny thing is these "footy shows" savaged Ratten 3 months ago... but they weren't to be listened to back then?

I still remember the 'structure v individual talent' analogy that was discussed back then, which seems to have been confirmed now that we've had a mini revival.

Ratten's had 5 years to learn his trade, mind you, he's still learning... as every coach does... but players continue to age... how much longer do we give him?

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It's all good! I got a laugh out of it.

When I think back to the black old post salary cap rort days, I look around at the other teams. Essendon* & Brisbane were dominating, and there weren't too many of our top 22 which would have made their starting sides.

Every game I watched on TV it would be one commentator after another taling about how bad we are and how it'll take a decade to get past this, if at all.

imo, We should be grateful we're on the up and not languishing like Melborne or even Richmond...not critical because in 5 years of having a good coach we haven't won a flag.

I don't know why I bother.... Maybe the guy I had dinner with last night was right....

You - yes YOU, Braithy - you brought up fines and sanctions. So, watch this:

1. The fines were about $900K in 2002. About 5 years later - five years ago or so, that money had already been given back to us in spades by our two owner..... oops, I mean our two benefactors. So.... POINT 1: Fines are IRRELEVANT!

2. The sanctions were to miss out on the first two rounds of the 2002 and 2003 drafts. Well, watch this.

a) In 2002, in later rounds, we picked up Simmo, who everyone agrees is a gun, and could be our next captain. And we also picked up a 99 game player in Brad Fisher, who while no Goddard or Wells or Jack Watts, was still servicable but got crueled by injury.
b) In 2003, we got our priority pick and got Andrew Walker at No.2.
c) In 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 - FIVE YEARS RUNNING, we had top 10 picks, including THREE NUMBER ONES, JUDD, and YARRAN. And then snagged Robbo at Pick 40.

What's my point?? That the FINES AND SANCTIONS ARE NOW COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

Stop leaning on something that happened 10 years ago and has since been offset completely.

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Dude. I got no idea.

There was a trickle down effect from the sanctions, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. we went another quick fix to get back on track with Pagan. What about the state Pagan left the list? Development of the list, a gameplan, a structure. Ratten had to build it all from scratch.

We finished in the bottom 2 from 2002-2007 directly from the rorts & fines.

re 2004 -2008 with high picks. They take time too. They're only entering their playing prime right now, and possibly without the injuries we'd be top 8, maybe top 4.

So we were stung in 2002, and here we are 10 years later with high picks from that mess only just entering their prime. It really isn't drawing a long bow.

Again, I'll point you to the direction of Melbourne, Richmond, Essendon*, North etc who had high picks in that same time. We are better off than all of them. We've come within a kick short of a prelim final with 3 of our best 10 players missing.

You guys forgot Armfield. Judd was the steak knives in that deal

Moshe. You know by now that smart analysis and a good thought process means nothing on TC!

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Good points braithy. Not sure why you bother though. They dont want to hear.

The fines also had a massive effect on the playing culture. Stevens fev witty and houla were left to show the way to the high draft picks coming though the door and I am sure we all agree that is not the way forward.

There are loads of reasons the team ratts took over was a basket case. He did a great job to get us into finals while clubs in similar boats at the time are still struggling.

Good points braithy. Not sure why you bother though. They dont want to hear.

The fines also had a massive effect on the playing culture. Stevens fev witty and houla were left to show the way to the high draft picks coming though the door and I am sure we all agree that is not the way forward.

There are loads of reasons the team ratts took over was a basket case. He did a great job to get us into finals while clubs in similar boats at the time are still struggling.

Now, now Psycho. Your catch phrase is - 'Don't get personal'. So don't.

Everything is either black or white on TC these days.

Yes it is - No it isn't
Ratts good - Ratts no good
Good recruiting - bad recruiting
Club improving - Club not improving.
Injuries have hurt us - Injuries should have no effect.
5 years is enough - 5 years is just getting started from where the club was at.

For every set of facts and statistical analysis there is an opposite set put up by someone else.

About 10 more sleeps and maybe the $64 question will be answered. It will have no affect on TC because the black/whites, for/against, yay/nay will just move on to another 'dead horse' thread full of chest beating, overblown opinions and pseudo facts.

Count me in and see you there

Go Blues.

Regards Cazzesman

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Another few points that have been forgotten is the Elliot financial legacy.

After black Friday and the eventual overthrow of Elliot the Club was on its knees and almost insolvent. The Board was close to handing the keys back to the AFL. The money bin was empty. I know this for a fact because I started in 2004 and WH was basically doing it all on his own because the club had no money to pay anyone else. They couldn't hire any decent staff to support the players because they couldn't pay what the other Clubs were offering.

It was a big, big spiral down and that was obviously on the back of Black Friday so it was all a double whammy.

Regards Cazzesman

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That is correct because ,95 % of the posts are opinions, and the other 5% that post are irrelavent like your good self,pretend to know allot but know nothing.
How many times has teener ballerina and others been asked to give alternatives to rotten ,and yet they cannot with all their fictious contacts. Phhhh,and we dismiss Parkin and walls because they are not up with the modern game,but you and the ballerina are up with the modern game.the board is split because they are up with the modern game.
Give us an alternative to rotten,and let me tell you allot of supporters are 50/50 on rotten,but you are up with the modern game,but Parkin and walls are not,,,well supporters that I know have more faith in those 2 than you

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Agree. I just sit back and watch now. Makes interesting reading from that angle.

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I reckon Spider's happy hour began at 3pm

So is malthouse coaching us next year, or what?

Isn't that what the thread is about?

I suggest you go to this thread

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31970

and read on.

i heard today this is dead in the water

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

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