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 Post subject: Re: Praise for Ratts!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:41 pm 
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Parkin today put his strong stamp of approval on Ratten as coach.

For all the posters out there who think they know coaching better than Parkin...lets see your CV :grin:

Not in this thread of course :donk:


Which David Parkin?

The one who is Brett Ratten's mentor and confidant?

Or some other David Parkin, who may be more objective about Ratts' coaching than he mentor/confidant?

Here's something for balance though: no ex coach is going to pot a current coach, just doesn't happen. So I could quite easily posit that any coach who doesn't publicly praise Ratten privately thinks he's pretty ordinary.

But not in this thread I won't. In this thread, one must come to praise Ratten, not to bury him.



I'm tipping its the 4 time premiership one.

Familiar with him ???

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 Post subject: Re: Praise for Ratts!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:03 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
JohnM wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
Parkin today put his strong stamp of approval on Ratten as coach.

For all the posters out there who think they know coaching better than Parkin...lets see your CV :grin:

Not in this thread of course :donk:


Which David Parkin?

The one who is Brett Ratten's mentor and confidant?

Or some other David Parkin, who may be more objective about Ratts' coaching than he mentor/confidant?

Here's something for balance though: no ex coach is going to pot a current coach, just doesn't happen. So I could quite easily posit that any coach who doesn't publicly praise Ratten privately thinks he's pretty ordinary.

But not in this thread I won't. In this thread, one must come to praise Ratten, not to bury him.



I'm tipping its the 4 time premiership one.

Familiar with him ???


Oh yeah, Parko... Ratt's ex-coach, friend and mentor. That one.

So he said good things about Ratts hey? What a huge surprise.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:59 pm 
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So if we lose to St Kilda does Ratts still deserve praise?


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 Post subject: Re: Praise for Ratts!
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Mark J wrote:
JohnM wrote:
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Parkin today put his strong stamp of approval on Ratten as coach.

For all the posters out there who think they know coaching better than Parkin...lets see your CV :grin:

Not in this thread of course :donk:


Which David Parkin?

The one who is Brett Ratten's mentor and confidant?

Or some other David Parkin, who may be more objective about Ratts' coaching than he mentor/confidant?

Here's something for balance though: no ex coach is going to pot a current coach, just doesn't happen. So I could quite easily posit that any coach who doesn't publicly praise Ratten privately thinks he's pretty ordinary.

But not in this thread I won't. In this thread, one must come to praise Ratten, not to bury him.



I'm tipping its the 4 time premiership one.

Familiar with him ???


For balance sake, Parkin also mentioned he didn't have much of a handle on modern day coaching. But he did also say that Ratts had the best understanding of the game of any of the players he coached.

Personally, I still think it's worth at least considering what Parko had to say.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:07 am 
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Ok ... i like it....
1)Parkin has no clue about modern day coaching
2)PArkin thinks Ratts has a great modern day football coaching mind.

Seriously... listening to Parkin and Walls about Ratts is ridiculous.

We all have eyes and a brain.....

We dont need them to tell us how to think....

Besides i think its crappy theyre coming out in the MEDIA and pressuring the club on what needs to be done.

Results...

5/6 years .. one elim final victory over a team that won 11 games last year.

WOW!!!.. thats a guy taking us places fast!!!

Like i said.. the bulk of the footy club have only known Ratts.. he has been there that long and noone is sure if he can coach or not yet.

Well im sure.... he cant!!!....

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:17 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Ok ... i like it....
1)Parkin has no clue about modern day coaching
2)PArkin thinks Ratts has a great modern day football coaching mind.

Seriously... listening to Parkin and Walls about Ratts is ridiculous.

We all have eyes and a brain.....

We dont need them to tell us how to think....

Besides i think its crappy theyre coming out in the MEDIA and pressuring the club on what needs to be done.

Results...

5/6 years .. one elim final victory over a team that won 11 games last year.

WOW!!!.. thats a guy taking us places fast!!!

Like i said.. the bulk of the footy club have only known Ratts.. he has been there that long and noone is sure if he can coach or not yet.

Well im sure.... he cant!!!....


I agree with Synners about Parko and Walls. When it comes to the modern game they're just moderately informed spectators. Their views on player/coach/club relationships are probably still valid, but that would be about all.

David King would appear to have a handle on the modern game.

What's his view?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:27 am 
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cimm???

Whos david king coach????

not sure .......

another thing about Walls and PArkin who are their apprentices who played and coached under them and went out and became rock and roll stars of coaching????

and glad you agree on Walls and Parkin......

.... cos it was becoming ridiculous there for a moment.. having these two (as much as i loved walls) opinion.... become the end game on Ratts as coach.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:33 am 
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Synbad wrote:
cimm???

Whos david king coach????

not sure .......

another thing about Walls and PArkin who are their apprentices who played and coached under them and went out and became rock and roll stars of coaching????

and glad you agree on Walls and Parkin......

.... cos it was becoming ridiculous there for a moment.. having these two (as much as i loved walls) opinion.... become the end game on Ratts as coach.


Kings not a coach but would have seem to have a pretty good handle on the technical aspects of the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Praise for Ratts!
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camelboy wrote:
For balance sake, Parkin also mentioned he didn't have much of a handle on modern day coaching. But he did also say that Ratts had the best understanding of the game of any of the players he coached.

Personally, I still think it's worth at least considering what Parko had to say.


Parkin also said the fundamental task of coaching has never ever changed, no matter what era you're talking about. And that is having the players buy into what you're preaching and have them playing hard for you. And Parkin said Ratten most definitely has that.

What gets a bit much here are the one-eyed people, who seem to think their way is the only way. Completely closed minded to any solution other than theirs. They also fail to acknowledge improvement or give credit where credit is due. Instead they blindly push their agenda of sacking ratten as the only viable outcome.

And then to go into flawed logic, of either sack ratten or extend him if you back him?!! It's pretty outrageous.

Ratten has improved this season and in the last month has a more focussed and dedicated team playing for him. People get better at things. This is not a new concept or a concept exclusive to Brett Ratten. It's a fact of life.

I remember Sheedy saying his first 10 years as a coach was merely his apprenticeship, and he didn't feel confident until after this time.

Based on his turnaround this season, Ratten deserves to finish out his contract, imo and I hope he's allowed to. If his improvement continues into next season and we're top four and comfortable by August 2013, extend him for another contract because he would have earned it. At the moment, he has not earned an extension, but merely the right to finish out his contract.

If the review finds Ratten needs to be replaced, then a process has to -- and we know it won't -- happen.

Eddie Maguire sacked Malthouse and said the game has passed him by, and he's too stubborn/ set in his ways to keep up. He's a 59-year old guy who wants to get back into coaching to prove Maguire wrong. How is that different from Pagan coaching for the money? The motivation is all wrong, imo.

Brining in Cloke and Malthouse has the potential to be Pagan, McKernan and Martin part deux ... I mean, there's enough evidence there to support MM won't be any more of an answer than Pagan.

At least when we bought Pagan in, there were no alternatives. Britain was going backwards and we needed something.

This time around, we have a coach that the players are playing for, which according to one of the best coaches football has seen is the fundamental building block needed to reach elite levels.

With Malthouse or any other coach, there is no guarantee we would even have that foundation to work on.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:45 am 
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I believe Parkin coached Leigh Matthews, is that correct? Not that it's relevant, but someone else brought it up.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:58 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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cimm???

Whos david king coach????

not sure .......

another thing about Walls and PArkin who are their apprentices who played and coached under them and went out and became rock and roll stars of coaching????

and glad you agree on Walls and Parkin......

.... cos it was becoming ridiculous there for a moment.. having these two (as much as i loved walls) opinion.... become the end game on Ratts as coach.


Kings not a coach but would have seem to have a pretty good handle on the technical aspects of the game.


how do you know he has a good understanding of odern day coaching???

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:00 am 
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I believe Parkin coached Leigh Matthews, is that correct? Not that it's relevant, but someone else brought it up.

1980?

thats 32 years ago.

He also coached Sheldon... but that was 1984???

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:13 am 
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Synbad wrote:
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I believe Parkin coached Leigh Matthews, is that correct? Not that it's relevant, but someone else brought it up.

1980?

thats 32 years ago.

He also coached Sheldon... but that was 1984???

you're the one that said the following:
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another thing about Walls and PArkin who are their apprentices who played and coached under them and went out and became rock and roll stars of coaching

You didn't state that it had to be in a certain era.
Leigh Matthews is the obvious example? Although I'm not sure why it's relevant. To be a good coach do you have to have played under a good coach? Did Robert Walls coach Paul Roos?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:35 am 
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Last week on radio Parkin categorically stated that Ratten was a very, very good game day coach. However, he did not have the management skills that is required of the modern day coach in terms of managing large groups of assistants, sports scientists and media.

I sit on the fence with this. But Parkin really is irrelevant to this whole conversation given his inability to think without emotion and clarity regarding Ratten's situation.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:50 am 
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Wowee, it's amazing what one big win against a plodding, wounded old enemy can do.
Parko? It's like Daddy Cloke talking up dear Travis :
Will the love-in hold if we lose to the Saints?
Or win our last two and still miss out?
Simply can't afford another 12 months to find out if Ratts really can coach or not.
Don't think the players will be crying into their Gatorades.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:51 am 
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You only have to listen to Parkin on the Fox Footy shows to realise that he isn't that different to the rest of the flip flop bunch of journos and commentators.

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I can still recall the time on 774 Parko suggested we trade our Walker pick for Nathan Brown :lol:

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Synbad wrote:
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Synbad wrote:
cimm???

Whos david king coach????

not sure .......

another thing about Walls and PArkin who are their apprentices who played and coached under them and went out and became rock and roll stars of coaching????

and glad you agree on Walls and Parkin......

.... cos it was becoming ridiculous there for a moment.. having these two (as much as i loved walls) opinion.... become the end game on Ratts as coach.


Kings not a coach but would have seem to have a pretty good handle on the technical aspects of the game.


how do you know he has a good understanding of odern day coaching???


A great man once said.................."We all have eyes and a brain".....

and my eye's and brain (and ears) tell me that Walls and Parko are a bit yesterday but D King is a bit more today.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:12 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I can still recall the time on 774 Parko suggested we trade our Walker pick for Nathan Brown :lol:


Oh gawd, I remember that one too :

People likeParko and Walls rely on what other people tell them when talking about footy tactics today.
Love Parko's passion, his flags but not how he left the list.

Recent wins have given him the ammunition to go into bat for his boy.
And of course the media is getting on board cos it's a great yarn if the Blues are winning again and they STILL want to get rid of their coach.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:15 am 
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Synbad wrote:
cimm???

Whos david king coach????

not sure .......

another thing about Walls and PArkin who are their apprentices who played and coached under them and went out and became rock and roll stars of coaching????

and glad you agree on Walls and Parkin......

.... cos it was becoming ridiculous there for a moment.. having these two (as much as i loved walls) opinion.... become the end game on Ratts as coach.


Ross Lyon ????- Worsfold ???? Roos played under both coaches ??? Mathews under Parkin
Vossy under Walls - fair chance the Scott brothers both played under Walls
and of course there is Ratten - that 7 of the current day coaches that have served time under them
and there is a stack of assistant coaches such as Lappin, Dean , Silvangi etc etc
But of course they had no influence on them at all they all learnt how to coach under others Walls and Parkin taught them nothing . Pfft 4 time premiership coach WTF would he know

But Malthouse theres a coach :lol: :lol:

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