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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:47 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
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And the rest Agro! pack of c@_tS!!!
But we have bigger issues to worry us. The disintegration of our football club is sheer heartbreak...


Yep we do have bigger issues to worry about - but on a purely selfish and personal level I want to beat the Hawthorn Foiotball a club as much as I wanted to beat Essendon* back in the early 80s.


Me too Agro. The recent record is vomit inducing

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:48 pm 
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Could Malthouses first game as coach be against Collingwood next Friday?????

"Id like to see that" :yikes:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:49 pm 
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I didn't see the game but I have it taped - should I watch it or erase it?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:49 pm 
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GWS wrote:
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"We knew Carlton would put in a really spirited performance tonight..."

WTF?



The arrogant cauliflower are just flowering patronizing us - and this should flowering hurt everyone within and outside the club.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:50 pm 
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darknavy wrote:
I didn't see the game but I have it taped - should I watch it or erase it?


Burn it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:50 pm 
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Same old. Short bursts of effort. Lots of ball watching. Player's getting into each others way. Dumb mistakes that an under U16 player would be embarrassed by. A few cheap goals when the heats gone out the game.

Ratts is obviously done but the problems won't end when a new bloke walks through the door. Can't coach desire IMO and we're in short supply. Time for the players as well as the coaches to take some responsibility.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:51 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
We have enough talent on our list to be top 4 material. If it wasn't for pure talent we would of been beaten by a lot more. IMO Hawthorn are not a top 4 side yet they thrashed us.


I wouldn't like to be your client. :sly:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:51 pm 
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darknavy wrote:
I didn't see the game but I have it taped - should I watch it or erase it?


fast fwd to the 15 min mark of 2nd Q and watch until their late goal, and then just keep repeating while drinking heavily. Seriously don't even dare watch any more.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:51 pm 
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At least EVERYONE is over the denial stage. Its a step in the right direction. Somethings gotta give real quick here.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:51 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
darknavy wrote:
I didn't see the game but I have it taped - should I watch it or erase it?


Burn it.


with fire !

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:51 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
darknavy wrote:
I didn't see the game but I have it taped - should I watch it or erase it?


Burn it.


Nukes?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:52 pm 
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We actually had enough players playing well to get a lot closer. We just don't have any system. And it was so clear there for the whole world to see. Even longstanding deniers on here can see it now. Sure, there's the odd deluded fan who's blaming Brock Mclean and Andrew Walker and Jeff Garlett, but it's pretty obvious.

In fact, check it out. Jeffy's probably played better than Cyril this season, and Jamo has played better than Schoenmakers, and Carrots has played as well as Sewell.

That's not the point. Every time a Hawthorn player got the ball in the back half there were half a dozen options on their own - down the line, across on the fat side, in the corridor.

Every time we got it, there was nowhere to go, lots of pressure, and the invariable "coach-killer kick" (tiny little garthp from me on that....) that turned the ball over.

It really has nothing to do with the players. We have one of the best lists in the AFL. They just have no structure, have not been given a game plan that works, and have not been trained in modern footy.

RABBLE. Rabble club. Rabble president. Rabble coach. Put us out of our misery!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:53 pm 
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oh well, Le Tour starts tomorrow night. If the entire peleton was on "the gear" it would still be a more honest effort than anything I watched tonight.

Judging by the look on his face I think even Ratten has realised that his time is up.....

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:53 pm 
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in8 wrote:
Ratts is obviously done but the problems won't end when a new bloke walks through the door. Can't coach desire IMO and we're in short supply. Time for the players as well as the coaches to take some responsibility.


No but you can create direction, belief and confidence.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:54 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
darknavy wrote:
I didn't see the game but I have it taped - should I watch it or erase it?


Burn it.


Nukes?


Anti-matter!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:54 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
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We have enough talent on our list to be top 4 material. If it wasn't for pure talent we would of been beaten by a lot more. IMO Hawthorn are not a top 4 side yet they thrashed us.


I wouldn't like to be your client. :sly:


Explain?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:55 pm 
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Armfield, Judd, Watson, Carazzo, Joseph, Robbo, Gibbs. The rest were awful.
Warnock had ONE hitout direct to a Carlton player in the clear. So did Kreuzer. That's two between them. There is more than winning the tap than just hitting it to an opposition player. Hale had more influence on the game than our two vaunted rucks together.
Matthew Kreuzer is a liability atm and I would trade him in a heartbeat.
Garlett got kicks in the last but wasted all of them.
Betts spoiled Hampson once by going third man up and crashing him. WTF is he doing flying with Hampson.
Walker played his best footy ever, last year deep in the pocket so this year he is running around like a headless chook.
Bootsma was out of his depth tonight but will learn from it. I hope he isn't traumatized.
AJ shut down the delicious Cyril.
Yarran has lost the confidence to run with the footy or he has been told not to. It was his most dangerous weapon last year.
Gibbs did OK tonight but was one of just a few.
Robbo played it out as usual. Nobody could ever accuse him of not having a go.
Hampson needs to take more marks. Simple as that.
Betts went OK.
McLean faded after a good start and will play next week.
Ellard was barely serviceable
Simmo still hasn't learned to play with a tag. He either has to or he is shot. He is a trier but has lost his influence on the game.
Duigan did OK but has probably peaked. Will stay in because he goes OK.
Jamo is a shadow of his former self and is probably out for several weeks.
Zach had an ordinary game but his kicking is good and he should be groomed for a midfield role next year. He, Armfield and Robbo are both hard at it and attack the footy and should join Judd and Murphy in the midfield with Yarran and maybe Betts or Garlett.

I think it's time to put the cue in the rack, make any hard decisions regarding players and coaches and send the injured to the surgeon and the rest to pre-season camp at the Visy Gym. Play anybody we haven't yet decided on and the rest can please themselves. 2013 should start on Monday. We can probably finish about 14-15 which will give us access to a top ten pick to be used on a hard at it medium midfielder from Victoria who barracks for Carlton and has Murphy or Mitchell as his idol.

In past years, this level of performance would have been dealt with pretty ruthlessly by Big Wes and Jack. The current board and MC need to act and they need to act swiftly or 2013 will go the same way as 2012. Except that the club will have about 20,000 members fewer than this year.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:57 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
mckay just got a wicket


Can he take a mark inside 50?

Better still, can he coach?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:59 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
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We have enough talent on our list to be top 4 material. If it wasn't for pure talent we would of been beaten by a lot more. IMO Hawthorn are not a top 4 side yet they thrashed us.


I wouldn't like to be your client. :sly:


Explain?


Well, it's sounds like double speak and maybe even a bit of subliminal sour grapes. Hawthorn certainly have the talent where it counts, at least.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Just before we all collectively jump...

Remember how bad the scum looked in knighta's last few weeks.

We (ie. sticks and the board) just need to grow some...and make the call...NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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