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 Post subject: Re: System Vs Talent
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:54 pm 
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Garry Crane

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We have had assistant coaches quoted as not being able to figure out what the problem is.
I read this to say that getting to a solution is way beyond them.

Judd has summed it up cleary.

GET THE F***ING BALL
DO NOT WAIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DO THI FOR YOU.


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 Post subject: Re: System Vs Talent
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:02 am 
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Stephen Kernahan
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I decided to put this here rather than start another thread.
We had six inches of rain here yesterday so instead of painting the bird aviary, I watched the 1972 GF. I hadn't seen it for a while but as I watched yesterday, a number of things struck me. One is that the players and coaches should sit down and watch it post haste.
Why?

1. The game was won before the first bounce. Big Nick and the then MC worked out why they had been beaten by the Tigers a couple of weeks before and decided to overhaul the plan.
2. Big Nick lined up in the forward pocket. He kicked six goals. The furthest out of the six (according to Mike Williamnson) was 11 and a half yards. That's right, 11 metres. He led from or behind the line and took three marks and got two frees for chopping. He never kicked a drop punt in his life but was still deadly in front of goal with the flat torp. He also tapped the ball around and brought it to ground causing heaps more scoring opportunities.
Jezza got 7 from FF. Most of them were from less than 50 and ALL of them show how he concentrated on his system before he ran in to kick.
Percy Jones, who could at best be described as an honest ruckman, tapped the ball AWAY from the pack, which admittedly was a lot smaller than they are today.
Robert Walls showed how a CHF can straighten up a team and what one can do without always going for the mark he got 6.
Kevin Hall showed how a player with a bit of pace and reasonable skills can do if you attack the footy. Bryce Gibbs, take note. You are the same size as he was and a lot more skilled.
Barry Armstrong showed how to get the footy all day inside and out. He would get a game in any era.
Bruce Doull showed what determination and courage plus the ability to back yourself can do when you are manning up the so-called best CHF of his era.
Geoff Southby showed us that if you have a player who is half able to take a mark and he has players at his feet, that the long kick to position from a behind is a good option. He only kicked torps from FB and he nailed all but one. It is a skill anybody can practise.
There were a lot of good ordinary players in that side. Crane, O'Connell, Lucas, Hurst, Chandler spring to mind but they all had a crack. Fringe players of 2012 take note.
Sid Jackson showed us that it is possible to put some muscle on the frame of an indigenous player. Speaking of which, all the players were pretty solid around the arse and thighs. Except Big Nick. He was MASSIVE.
The players were still running and carrying in the 4th qtr, even though there were NO SUBS.
Vin Waite went off injured...Father /son trait? Before that he showed how to dash from the BP and clear the footy. Bigger than Touhy but Touhy could learn from him. He could play similar footy.
Lucas was the sub... Nothing new there.
Bill Deller was a better umpire than anyone going around today. He was the sole field umpire and didn't miss that much, Robert Walls being coat-hangered notwithstanding.

The moral is this. We can learn lessons from history.
Hampson and Kreuzer should prop in the square and force the opposition to respect them by putting a top line defender on them. When the FF leads out, the floater has the choice of going to him or the ruckman. ATM we bomb it from too far out and the floater just has forever to pick it off.
Sometimes, when the team is playing a talented opposition, man on man is an option rather than letting the opposition guns run through the zone. Beat your man and win the game.
It is all very well to be as skillful as possible but knowing what the team is supposed to be doing and trying your guts out to win your position is just as important. That's why Carazzo is so valuable. He can run with a very talented player but by a combination of skill and G&D, gets the footy himself.
If we have a big marking target up front, go long and quick to him. That means not always kicking long from half back but working the footy to about sixty or seventy out and putting it to a one on one (if possible) at the end of the square. But not always to Eddie.
Handball is useful to gain space but nobody can run as fast as a long roost TO POSITION OR A PLAYER. The zone and press rely on the footy traveling slowly when you haven't got it so players can spread from the turnover. Hitting the ball out of the congestion (rucks and talls) and kicking long to a player whom you KNOW will be somewhere because that's how the system works, will always break the zone. If the kick is good enough. Otherwise it's a turnover and we start again.

Footy has changed a lot since 1972. But the game is still recogniseable and the individual skills are still important, maybe more so. A I said earlier, the players and coaches should watch that game again and work out how the various snippets reflect today and what each individual has to do to be better.

Bartlett had two shots on the run from the pocket with players alone in the square. No wonder they called him, 'Hungry.' Selfish, more like it.

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