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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:05 am 
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This week marks four years since Dick Pratt stepped aside from the Carlton presidency for reasons pertaining to health (and the ACCC), and therefore four years since Stephen Kernahan assumed the title of 'interim President'. Although Pratt stepped aside and then tragically lost his battle with cancer, I still think of 'Sticks' as the interim President.

Since 2008, there have been the occasional murmuring that a 'real' President was going to be appointed. Whether that was fact, rumour or innuendo - we all heard the the names of Ahmed Fahour being bandied around when he left the National Australia Bank, Harold Mitchell prior to his involvement with the start-up Melbourne Rebels, Dick Pratt's son Anthony and his son-in-law Ruffy Germinder whom many of us believed to be being groomed for the Presidency after receiving a place at the board table without having to go through a member vote - something becoming synonymous with the Carlton Football Club.

None of this has come to fruition. What we have is a President who has been a board member for four more years than he was a player. A man who is a legend of the club, but a man who is in serious danger of having some of that gloss he earned as a player being eroded by what he has done (or hasn't done) as a President.

You can't question Stephen Kernahan's passion for the Carlton Football Club. But passion can often be a hindrance, particularly when your mates are involved. Being decisive is not something I'd attribute to Stephen Kernahan. His indecisiveness at key stages of our history has altered our path and unfortunately not for the better. The energy within the place might be great but I'd rather be decisive with 85% certainty (which is far more beneficial to growth), than being 100% sure 10 months from now if there is a structured and trained group in place. We saw it during his term as Vice-President. His struggles with the sacking of Wayne Brittain, his reluctance in 2006 to do the same to Denis Pagan, his reluctance to let Scott Camporeale go, his involvement with the Elliott board when the club was brought to its knees, his siding with the sinking Smorgon ship when the board was nothing but a basketcase and his inability to lead when waring internal factions threatened to put the club on the back pages for all the wrong reasons.

Sticks is good at many things. But one of them isn't being Carlton President at this point in time. It's now 2012. The Carlton Football Club I crave is one where the deep credibility of President, CEO, GM, Board and coach encourage supporters to trust them with their hard-earned dollars, one opposition clubs respect and fear and one where the Carlton brand is positioned where it rightfully belongs. None of those are visibly present at the club today.

There's a scene in the movie, 'Days of Thunder' where Robert Duval's character is trying to stress the importance of doing things within the plan and everyone understanding their role within that plan. Duval's character, crew chief for a NASCAR team, is explaining to Tom Cruise, the driver, that driving as fast as he possibly can will not win races. It doesn't seem logical at first, but as Duval explains, racing is more about everything all working together. The team loses if there is a breakdown, if one area is not in sync with the others. Duval explains that if he drove 50 laps Duval's way (slower) and 50 laps Cruise's way (pedal to the metal), Duval's method would win every time. They go through the exercise in the movie and at the end of two sets of 50 laps, Cruise yields a faster time driving more slowly, just as Duval assured him. The reason, Duval explains, is that driving as fast as possible causes the temperature of the tyres to rise, they begin to melt, become slick and spin faster but the car doesn't travel as fast. It's the same in a footy club - on-field and off it. If everyone is off doing their own thing, there's lots of motion, but not much progress. So much of this teams efforts (on-field & off-field) are reactionary. In essence, we're not going backward as a club, but we're not really going forward with conviction either. We're merely spinning tyres.

At the time of the overthrow of Jack Elliott, Sticks chose to stay with the board because he loves his club and wanted to help. The majority of voters elected to keep him on the board. It was very much a case of "you can't treat our favourite son like that". It was as if Kernahan received a Presidential pardon after each failed administration. Later, post-Smorgon..."we need Carlton people" was the reoccurring theme, so again, he stayed.

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There's still no getting away from the fact that Sticks is a legend of the Carlton Football Club. But I waited with baited breath for the likes of Dick Pratt to tell him he would be used much more in a marketing/media "face of the club" type role. His worth would be invaluable there. And he could still be a board member, but not President. We often discuss how Eddie McGuire lead Collingwood out of the mire and into the most recognizable sports brand in Australia. Twenty years ago, when Sticks was still plying his trade across the forward line, Eddie was a hard-working Channel 10 sports reporter who was known for being tipped off (by the police) when the police were on their way to the Chevron where he was, in all likelihood, trying to pick-up the left-overs in the early hours of the morning with his good mate Ross Glendenning. So what happened? Eddie was always street smart, and smart enough to surround himself with good people. Kernahan had a leg-up as well. Employed as a stockbroker - he left in the early 90's and was offered a job by Dick Pratt at Visy. A couple of years later he started - again with some 'Carlton assistance' his printing company which became very successful. So he knows business, and he certainly understands the football club, but unlike McGuire he doesn't know how to harness it, grow it and drive it forward. The people around Sticks at Carlton didn't know how either.

Did Pratt? No. By the time Richard Pratt came along as proclaimed savior and 'galvanised' the club with strong words and a little money, he wasn't of sound mind to be President of the Carlton Football Club. As great a man as he was, the accounts of his tenure at the top are downright scary.

"When it came to sourcing new talent, he'd ask 'Who's the best player in the league in the position in question? Then he'd say 'Well let's just buy him' and we'd say 'Dick, you can't just buy players anymore, it doesn't work like that" - Former board member Paul Littman.

Then there's the matter of debt. We've still a large chunk left to clear. Much of it left over from an administration now a decade removed. But much of the debt is being removed by Bruce Mathieson, without whom we'd be in grave danger. The philanthropy still needs to be managed, but it's philanthropic nonetheless. Put together with Visy money, and the club is largely being kept going by Pratt/Mathieson and AFL TV monies. Other clubs would be envious, but we're not other clubs remember? We're Carlton, f**k the rest...I hope for Sticks' sake that's not his Presidential legacy.

Unlike Brett Ratten, Kernahan hasn't left Carlton since arriving in 1986. He has either been player or board member since. Sometimes you see things a little clearer when you step away from them for a while. It's something Sticks probably should have done post-Elliott era when he had no right to be re-elected to the board given what had transpired. Unfortunately, he thinks he owes the club something. I don't think Stephen Kernahan owes the club anything. His efforts won't be forgotten, but we need someone at the top who doesn't just present a 'Blueprint' for future success. We need someone who owns it and instills that ownership and belief within every single person within the organisation that this is the way forward. Someone like Harold Mitchell, although I fear that bridge has already been burned. Sticks should know that 'hanging on until all the good stuff we've done delivers a Premiership' would be selfish. We're barely doing the basics with him in charge, yet internally - the belief is they're on the right track. It is time for change at the top. And as much admiration I have for his love of the club I love, I don't want to see Carlton's longest serving Captain becoming Carlton's longest serving President.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:38 am 
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Nice post Doc. Unfortunately we are stuck with him unless he rolls over.
He is bambi.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:56 am 
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Even if he moves aside.. factions would still use him to shore themselves up.

He must leave the club and only come back for family days.
Hes too dumb to understand what a hinderance he is to this club.

Alas.. he is here for a long time and that most likely means were not going to be going anywhere for a long time.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:02 am 
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I'm not up with Harold Mitchell. But , not pissing in Doc's pocket, if he wants to nominate him then he's probably got currency. But, who is he, and why have ''those bridges been burned''?

And, to return to the question I've asked ad nauseun, if not Sticks (or Mitchell) then Who ??????

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:25 am 
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Who?
We will never know.
Could be a small suburban ex Afghanistan veteran dentist.

But as long as Sticks and friends stay in charge.. noone is going to put their hand up.
Its a 13 man and 1 woman board with people being invited on ... (if they have any money)
Sticks ... 2 Pratts... 1 Mathieson.. a Trainer...
Noones going to stick their head up...

The board has become a sanction for people to aspire to .. but nothing seems to be happening once on that board.

Its an ego thing....

Bruce tries...!!!.. but he cant do it from Qld.

Pratts?? Id love to see what their contribution actually is these days.
The whole thing is a dogs brekky

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:35 am 
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The club is, and has been for a long time, split in two - those in the inner circle - and those on the outside.

There has been a massive protection barrier installed by those in the inner circle shielding themselves from those on the outside - they are bullet proof and untouchable

All those who are on the outside can do is simply hope..........


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:41 am 
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You've got your head in the sand if you haven't heard of Harold Mitchell. Australia's biggest media buyer, Mitchell is a self-made multi-millionaire. Harold was around as a member and sponsor in the early Elliott days. He considered a run for the presidency in 2006, but had other things on his plate - indeed Harold has many things on his plate. But he has just departed from the Melbourne Rebels. Without Harold, they wouldn't exist. He is, arguably, the most powerful man in Victoria..in fact I don't think anyone else comes close. Eddie McGuire would shake in his boots should Harold ever become president. If no one is sounding him out now, they simply don't get it. Harold is a very young 70. He's probably in the best health he's been in for the best part of 25 years. He is one of the most brilliant rags to riches stories - but more importantly - he's a Carlton supporter, and he gets it. There's lots written about Harold...but here's a good one from last year.

http://www.thepowerindex.com.au/melbour ... d-mitchell


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:47 am 
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Crowds are up
Membership is up
TV viewing is up
Facilties are built
Elite training is organised
Debt coming down
Top assistants coaches employed
Pulled Andy Mckay out of The AFL

The only thing thats is not happening is winning on the park
Cant blame Sticks for that he has given them everything they need to be doing that

We are behind two clubs in Victoria Hawthorn and collingwood
We will always be behind the pies because of their massive fan base
Hawthorn sold games to Tassie to make their balance sheet look better and all credit has to be given to Kennet for that club
I could imagine the rants on this site if Carlton elected an ex high profile Liberal to lead the club

The bile that comes out of people mouths and directed at Sticks is unwarranted unfactual and down right distasteful

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:50 am 
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Rexy wrote:
The club is, and has been for a long time, split in two - those in the inner circle - and those on the outside.

There has been a massive protection barrier installed by those in the inner circle shielding themselves from those on the outside - they are bullet proof and untouchable

All those who are on the outside can do is simply hope..........


Sadly, it never used to be this way. But the situation has gotten to such a ridiculous stage with members no longer getting a vote and Kernahan meeting with the Unofficial Selection Committee prior to the AGM, that something has to give. I would love to sit down with Ryan Trainor and Craig Mathieson and outline why I think the club is alienating their supporter instead of trying to win it before these gentlemen take a seat on the board.

Ryan reads this site from time to time, so it would be interesting to get a feel for how he perceives the off-field path the club is going down.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:54 am 
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We are kept a little in the dark here in the West so the whole back room shenanigans for board positions intrigues me.

The reported story is that , without the Pratts initial money and ongoing support, we'd be sunk.

Is that the case? Particularly in regard to ongoing support?

If it is is this support dependant on the Pratts being (over) represented on the board?

If your summation of Sticks' administrative career is true it at least shows him to be extremely loyal to the club. Unfortunately his loyalty extends to sticking phat with people who are driving the Carlton bus up a mountain on icy roads without tyre chains, blindfolded.

Is that reason enough to ditch him.? Probably.

But surely the primary issue here is the board. Have we replaced a bad group of administrators ( who replaced a shithouse group of people) with another bad group of administrators who just have more money.

Given the choice, I'd feel much more comfortable owing a bank money who just want to be paid, than a family. Particularly if you consider that their poor administrative skills act as a barrier to becoming less reliant on an IV drip of that money.

The CFC should not be treated as an arm of Visy, nor should it be the playing of one particular family. They don't own it.

By all means get rid of Sticks but before we do let's make sure we don't ignore his ability to identify (and side with) administrations who have run their course.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:56 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Crowds are up
Membership is up
TV viewing is up
Facilties are built
Elite training is organised
Debt coming down
Top assistants coaches employed
Pulled Andy Mckay out of The AFL

The only thing thats is not happening is winning on the park
Cant blame Sticks for that he has given them everything they need to be doing that

We are behind two clubs in Victoria Hawthorn and collingwood
We will always be behind the pies because of their massive fan base
Hawthorn sold games to Tassie to make their balance sheet look better and all credit has to be given to Kennet for that club
I could imagine the rants on this site if Carlton elected an ex high profile Liberal to lead the club

The bile that comes out of people mouths and directed at Sticks is unwarranted unfactual and down right distasteful


Membership is down. But aside from that - you must be very happy being average. You have to separate Kernahan the player from Kernahan the President. This club is not where it should be, and it's arguably not in a healthy state at all. A lot of people are just happy to pay up and go and watch the team...that's fine, but that's not the Carlton that I want. That's not the Carlton that will be successful. Does Sticks even have an exit strategy?


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Show me where membership is down we have record membership this year

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DocSherrin wrote:
You've got your head in the sand if you haven't heard of Harold Mitchell. Australia's biggest media buyer, Mitchell is a self-made multi-millionaire. Harold was around as a member and sponsor in the early Elliott days. He considered a run for the presidency in 2006, but had other things on his plate - indeed Harold has many things on his plate. But he has just departed from the Melbourne Rebels. Without Harold, they wouldn't exist. He is, arguably, the most powerful man in Victoria..in fact I don't think anyone else comes close. Eddie McGuire would shake in his boots should Harold ever become president. If no one is sounding him out now, they simply don't get it. Harold is a very young 70. He's probably in the best health he's been in for the best part of 25 years. He is one of the most brilliant rags to riches stories - but more importantly - he's a Carlton supporter, and he gets it. There's lots written about Harold...but here's a good one from last year.

http://www.thepowerindex.com.au/melbour ... d-mitchell

Oh. THAT Harold Mitchell !!

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He was on Eddies show a few weeks ago.

Didn't realize he was 70!

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Show me where membership is down we have record membership this year


Are you Wayne Swan? Mate, if you break membership down into three tiers - the top tier (the people who spend the most money) has been going backward. Also, the club said they'd be 50,000 members strong. Who falls on a sword for that failure? I didn't take out a membership this year (already have an AFL one) yet gave $3,000 to the club last year. Why haven't I received a single phone call? Who's not doing their job? Why are their wheels spinning?


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As usual very well written and thought out. :clap:

The usual suspects come out to pick on small parts instead of assessing the whole article.

Let me know when entire book comes out will be a good read! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:19 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Show me where membership is down we have record membership this year


Are you Wayne Swan? Mate, if you break membership down into three tiers - the top tier (the people who spend the most money) has been going backward. Also, the club said they'd be 50,000 members strong. Who falls on a sword for that failure? I didn't take out a membership this year (already have an AFL one) yet gave $3,000 to the club last year. Why haven't I received a single phone call? Who's not doing their job? Why are their wheels spinning?


Interesting thread, but lets keep the spin down Doc. Membership IS up every year under Mullet Man, but it is not up enough. Key issue that we don't have thousands of 3 game memberships other Clubs have (at Hawthorn these come from the Tassie games), and I think some of the other Clubs count non-game memberships in their PR spin. I think last year clubs like Bummers got heavily adjusted downwards by the AFL. Even so, membership wise as in many other regards we are behind others. I would also like to see a different President, but it has to be a quality person. Hard to see anyone obvious at the moment. Harold is getting too old and he has all his focus on the Rebels.

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Enjoyed reading that Doc.


ps.Are you Harold? :razz:

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Nice one Doc - if only someone in the board room had the balls to tell it to Kernahan how it is.

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mikkey wrote:
Interesting thread, but lets keep the spin down Doc. Membership IS up every year under Mullet Man, but it is not up enough. Key issue that we don't have thousands of 3 game memberships other Clubs have (at Hawthorn these come from the Tassie games), and I think some of the other Clubs count non-game memberships in their PR spin. I think last year clubs like Bummers got heavily adjusted downwards by the AFL. Even so, membership wise as in many other regards we are behind others. I would also like to see a different President, but it has to be a quality person. Hard to see anyone obvious at the moment. Harold is getting too old and he has all his focus on the Rebels.


I assess memberships a little differently to others. We're gaining in the lower tier category, holding firm with the middle class and falling with the top tier. But unless by some miracle attributed to Jeanne Pratt, if wedon't reach 50k it must be seen as failure, just as not being top 4 is seen as a failure by many. If you set goals - you better get them, or someone will get you.

As for Harold and the Rebels - he's about to relinquish his role with them. He sits on many boards, but it a brilliant manager of his time and efforts. As I said earlier - he gets it.

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Enjoyed reading that Doc.


ps.Are you Harold? :razz:


I'll be Harold's age in 30 years! I had the privilege of doing some work with him a few years ago re: TVN, the VRU (Rebels) and another project I consulted on that we picked his brain on. Put simply, he's a genius.


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