The season defining game was against Adelaide after losses to the scum & the saints & a piss poor effort against GWS

We certainly [REDACTED] that one up

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..18 man side, it's system every day of the week over talent..

..we've got ok talent, sub-par ability to extract the best out of what talent we have, and no system to speak of.. ..we'll be lucky to make finals if we continue along this trend..

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perhaps its our system of choosing best available talent ?

what did we give up for Warnock

plus pick 17 for Hampson

and Kruise with 1

should we have used so many high picks for 3 ruckmen?

Each pick on its own makes sense but should we have used all 3 picks on 3 ruckmen?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

we were spooked by the Ackland debacle

As much as I hated Carlton losing to Port ... I am really getting some laughs out of some people on here today.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

I am hoping we will end our soft patch which looks severe. If we do end it on Friday night [please, pretty please....]with the players to come in I think the back end of season will be very good.

Please Ratts find a tagger and take out the oppositions best ball player..please, please please....
Please Ratts find two key marking forwards.
Please Ratts get these insolate little spoilt sh$ts angry.
Get these little w@nkers to gut run and put their body on the line.

lol

you crack me up!

five years in the super coach must make all of his players angry?

that's analysing what's going on!

suddenly if they play angry they will find system?

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murphy gibbs kreuz yarran judd simpson scotland waite henderson jamison hampson betts garlett warnock laidler- surely that is enough talent to build a top side around - surely it is enough of a mix of different talented players

Sure we have some foot soldiers every side does

Got to be the system surely when you see that list

yeah we travel ok when they are all playing, but cant do much when there are no tall forwards and half leadership group is out injured.

What about West Coast? Missing 150 goals from last year....they seem to be doing ok? Why is it that they can do ok but we can't? Collingwood missing a shiteload of key defenders, key onballers and small forwards and still do ok?

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

don't ruin the nice story he gives us.

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We got a system, not sure how we played a home final last year without one, whilst Jamo, Waite and Kreuzere were missing..gerrard whatley is right and wrong..give me two tall marking forwards and a decent tagger instead of VFL scrappers. Hopefully Ratts gets them this week .. then we can talk about the outcome on Saturday

They have structure - they have taggers, ball players, wingers///tall forwards and small forwards/

We have no tall forwards...If you think 1 tall forward can take on three tall defenders and cover CHF, FF and lead to the wings all at the same time, then what can you say?

.Small forwards can somewhat be replaced by mids or any type of small so can tall forwards.. problem is we only have Jamo, Bower and Watson left to play tall

We have no structure... we need three tall forwards or two tall forwards and resting ruckman pretty damn fast.

Even with all those injuries they still have them?

So they've developed depth yeh? Who was responsible for building depth at Carlton and re-signing list cloggers?

You talk of tall forwards - you clearly haven't been watching Carlton even when we've been ok - Eddie Betts is our marking forward.

It's an indictment on Brett Ratten and the football department that after 5 years Eddie Betts is still our focal point. Eddie has to do it against his opponent (20cm taller) and the loose defender.

On the weekend we were getting smashed in the guts and Ratten decides to throw Mitch Robinson to full forward and barely start Mclean in the centre square.

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If all their tall forwards has been wiped out....take out Kerr & and another top mid...and also take out four of their best defenders, what will happen to West Coast?

That's right, they got the wooden spoon, remember that?

They've had 150 goals wiped from their team and they're doing just fine. 150 goals!!!

Then look at the filth against Adelaide - Swan, Reid, N Brown, Tarrant, Ball, Macaffer, Johnson, Krakouer all out - 3 key defenders, the other does his knee during the game. A Brownlow medallist and a grunt steak and eggs midfielder...a key tagger/defensive wingman. Still win. Still have a crack.

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Pendlebury as well from this week on too....

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You can replace Reid with Okeefe as you can repleace Henderson with Watson for example

If Betts and Walker are out injured god forbid they can be covered by Gibbs, Simpson, Kerr, Buckley, etc..

But you cant replace Tall forwards from thin air in our current predicament...no one to select because they're all damn cripples.

We have Betts.
We got rid of Fev yet now we let Betts run the forward line.

We are trying Hampson and Kreuzer if you have been paying attention.
Again he doesn't know how to use them properly or they don't listen.
It's either Ratten really has no idea or Betts and the players run the side.

Which verdict suits you?

Hampson and Kreuzer are not key forwards..they're ruckman resting forward..like Cox and Natnui.