Let's poach Eddie.....

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I demand somebody uses the words "bathwater" and "baby" in this thread.......

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

It would be the natural progression following Swann, Richardson, Brown, Williams (and maybe Mickey M)

Yeah, I think he/she does.

But there's a lot of Carlton supporters out there, and I'd imagine at least a hundred of them would be better suited to the role of chairman/president than our incumbent.

The CEO doesn't have to be a carlton perso (and currently isn't). Greg Swann is a professional CEO who's into power, position, privelege, money and personal success - like most CEO's. He's a highly-paid functionary. Whether he's any good or not - well, I'm sure he's a good CEO but the direction at the club has to come from the top, and right now we've got 3rd rate direction coming from the top.

You need a president who not only wants the club to succeed beyond all rational reasons, but who also has the brains, the force of will, and the business nous to show the way and attract others to follow him/her. And you need a high calibre board.

Sticks is not that man. Compared to the man we need, he's a nuffie. Ratten's a nuffie too, compared to the kind of coach we need.

Blunt assessment: the two most important people at our club aren't smart enough. full stop. And the CEO (who's probably smarter than both of them combined) seems content to keep the circus going and keep his fat paycheques rolling in.

Crap leadership of the club, and crap leadership of the coaching panel.

I reckon the Pratts have to be the circuit-breaker here, cause while Sticks has their support, no-one's going to challenge because no-one wants to take on the Pratts. They have to tap Sticks the "reluctant" President and say time's-up... we're opening up the field to find the best person we can. And you aren't it.

It's both ironic an surreal having my name dropped in this manner.

For those of you who have the sensitivity to be able to decipher what I've had to say in the past may see that it's all starting to come true.

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So what type do we need to lead the club a corporate investment banker?They're the biggest $#^% there are.

I trust Sticks that does the best of the club at heart and frankly providing he has sound advisors around him, that's all that matters - he is going great in fact better than great...booming sponsorship, booming membership, booming television audiences, booming match attendences y-o-y..improved match performances clean balance sheet.. why the hell do you want to change this?

Wonderful metaphor Moshe - seems close to the truth but the thing is, who has the balls to make this change.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Great post.

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Someone makes some obtuse metaphor about dirty fish tanks and I'm the loony one. It's not what you know, it's who you know.

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Rubbish. Booming voice.... that's about it.

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Firstly, the metaphor was apt for what moshe was trying to express.

Secondly, it was effective. As everyone understood the point he was getting across through said metaphor.

Thirdly, his dropping of your name was affectionate, light-hearted ribbing. If you couldn't gather that, then you're lacking the sensitivity you ask of others when reading your posts.

Fourthly, of course who you know counts. It's called an audience. You don't cultivate one, you may as well be talking to yourself.

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STURDYISM!!

I agree 100% with you here. What I'm curious about though is how many agree with you here, yet advocate sacking Ratten anyway in 1 or 2 other threads about the place. Don't understand how the coaching staff aren't immune to that culture either?

Sacking Ratten is as pointless as pointless gets at this point.

Until someone figures out a feasible exit strategy for Sticks, most things about the club are.

Problem one: Who would actually run against him?

Problem two: Who would actually win against him, if they did?

Problem three: When would the media actually write anything negative about him? He's as teflon as teflon gets. The boys club media love him, as he gets on the sauce with them, sends them to Qatar, and is prone to saying something stupid without being completely offensive or criminal. I can't remember the last time anyone in the press pointed a finger at the bloke. Caro, maybe.....

Problem three: Who would win, and then say to him "No, sorry, we're not interested in a "unity ticket", no you can't stay on the board, bugger off..." as all those since 2002 before him have not?

Problem four: Better the devil you know than the devil you don't? Who's to say that we're not opening the door to previous shit elements of the board from years gone by?


The best chance of this lies with Fitzpatrick giving up being the heir apparent to the AFL throne to run Carlton. Unlikely is an understatement. Even then, with the set up of the constitution toward member elections, I can't see the AFL-endorsed candidate getting up over Sticks without help from the media portraying Sticks as the incompetency behind our failure. No-one else has the profile or resume.

We're [REDACTED] and at the behest of Sticks. Better off starting up a new club...

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

So if one deosnt agree with you, its rubbish. No evidence whatsoever why Sticks hasnt done his job well and met his KPI's unless you can provide proof and evidence I have a tendency to think about these things such as evidence, but for now, the rubbish is not on me.

I argued the same thing Rhino when the sack Ratts first reared its head a couple of years ago. Sticks must go - until then little will improve.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I mean you've got people calling for an EGM in another thread, yep, great, all well and good...

Lets say one happens, how many people on here are actually eligible and registered to vote? Be lucky to be 10%.

I'm sure the remaining 90% would be more than happy to make Brimbank Council look like a fine example of democratic process also..

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Booming membership? Booming sponsorship? improved match performances?


You have low expectations I presume.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I noticed you were one to highlight it. Light hearted or not, the internet creates an artificial situation. I find it mildly disturbing that someone whom i have little to no interaction with on this site (in over words, doesn't know me from jack s***) chooses to make an example out of me, however light hearted. People should get a grip on what internet forums are all about and not try to make them some kind of quasi reality because their perception is probably all over the shop. Stop messing with peoples sense of equilibrium. Pafloyul doesn't exist!

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Low expectations with healthy sponsorship, whats an investment banker gonna do, huh?

Sponsorship is UP
Membership is UP
Match Attendences are UP
Television Audiences are UP
Balance sheet is in the BLACK

Perhaps you have a Utopian expectation? I dunno.

DEMETRIOU !

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Yes, but this years' performances will be influenced next year in those key categories you mention.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!