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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 9:27 pm 
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The sub should either be an inexperienced player or someone with pace.

Absolutely no point having either Brock or Ed as sub.


I agree.

It will be either Collins or Bootsma


That makes more sense.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 6:55 am 
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Structurally the team is struggling, ceetainly if Melbourne line up as selected or similar with the 2 ruck/forwards plus Watts and the high-flying Howe. That forces us to use Jamo and Hendo down back presumably for Clark and Sellar, then leaving whoever else we choose to play back a significant height disadvantage to Wats and probably to Howe as well. It certainly seems to me to kill any chance of Hendo being played forward and forces us to use the two resting rucks as forward marking targets. There doesn't seem to me to be a lot of flexibility in the team as far as talls is concerned, unless we are prepared to go with Walker as our second marking forward and free up Kreuzer (or Hampson) to play as amid or even as a defender (we might simply need the height down back). We are clearly banking on the conditions helping to linit the impact of talls on the game.

On a dryer day I kmight be tempted to pack the midfield with some more pace but in the circumstances I think big bodies will be important in there today. I'd personally have Brock as sub (well actually if it was my call he wouldn't be in the team at all) as an option if we need an extra big body, but I'd try other options first.

In terms of mids or prospective mids we can classify them into those who are strong, those who are quick , those who are both and those who are not particularly either quick or strong, some of whom however are quality players none the less..

BOTH Joseph Judd Tuohy Walker
STRONG Kreuzer McLean Robinson
QUICK Armfield Betts Bootsma Garlett Simpson Yarran
NEITHER Collins Curnow Ellard Gibbs Scotland

Given the requirement for strong bodies and the desire for speed, I'm inclined to run the "BOTH"group as our starting midfield with Warnock as ruck. Joseph can tag Kones, who seems to be there most obvious gut to tag. That leaves one more midfield starting slot and given the likely conditions we could run with strength but Im more inclined to go for Simpson as a natural winger. I figure we need Kreuze forward given lack of other options, Eddie is a key there who I'd like to see thrown into the midfield more often that n=he is but he is just too structurally important up forward. Ratts is clear that he wants Gibbs behind the ball so he goes to the backline as does Bootsma simply because we need the height there - not that he's that tall, but he'd be the closest thing we have to a 3rd tall defender in the line-up, unless you threw Walker back. The rest is largely a matter of the old "scatter fellas"school of team placement, but there are some constraints. First, I'm minded to let McLean take the subs spot and bring him on later when some speed is out of the game. If we find we need his strength in the middle then we sub him on earlier, but I figure he can only go midfield and with Joseph, Tuony and Walker being given a crack as strong mids alongside Judd, and the plethora of other midfielders in the side, we can run through PLENTY of options before we have to turn to Plan Broke. Robbo and maybe even Kreuzer up forward, as strong bodied options to run through midfield, Scotland and Armfield down back who could go in there and don't mind getting their hands dirty (although Scotto has disappointed in that regard this season so far) and Curnow, Ellard and even Collins on the bench being smaller types who nevertheless get in after the ball as mids. With Garlett as a natural forward, that leaves Yarran as the only player not slotted into a position, and though you could play him down back and release either Armfield or Scotland downfield, I think it might be time to reunite the three amigos up forward - or are they now "Hammer's/Kreuzer's Little Helpers"?

Hence

Armfield Henderson Jamison
Gibbs Bootsma Scotland
Simpson Tuohy Walker
Robinson Kreuzer Yarran
Betts Hampson Garlett
Warnock Judd Joseph
Collins Curnow Ellard
McLean


Bootsma CHB, a starting midfield of Tuohey, Judd and Ellard?
You've got money on Melbourne, havent you?

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 7:03 am 
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Love to see Tuohy in the middle playing a Carrots role.


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 8:16 am 
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Bit worried if both Kreuz and Hendo dont play....
I feel an epic upset coming on...

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 8:25 am 
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Yeah we will win, which will epically upset some around here.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 8:37 am 
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BlueMark wrote:
Yeah we will win, which will epically upset some around here.


A win won't upset anyone, we're playing the most rubbish, mentally inept team since the Bears, it will be the tactics and structure that will upset people if nothing changes. Good news is injury will probably force change to happen.

The club stated top 4 in 2012, losing to our opposition for those spots the same way is what upsets people.

Ps: Bears ended Walls career, hmmmm. Anyone know what date that was?


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:40 am 
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Wow, Hendo and Kruez out?!
Gee that's a terrible team on paper then.

Really is 50/50.


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:41 am 
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If we re fair dinkum, nothing more then a 12+ goal win will do... We need to regain some sort of respect...
A struggling win by a small margain and we ll still have our critics about being pretenders...
Lose and all hell will break loose, and this forum will go into absolute meltdown!!...

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:46 am 
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will be looking flights out of melbourne if we lose this one :yikes:

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:52 am 
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will be looking flights out of Australia we lose this one :yikes:



EFA

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:52 am 
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http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... 10%2C+1989

Well June 3rd was that infamous day a big money recruit put a nail in Walls coffin, will Mitch Clark do the same to Ratts!


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Am in Rio the moment. Got to wake up at 2am my time to hear the game on the internet. Glutton for punishment I am.


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 10:08 am 
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King Kenny wrote:
http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Round+10%2C+1989

Well June 3rd was that infamous day a big money recruit put a nail in Walls coffin, will Mitch Clark do the same to Ratts!


More like 2002.

Make the finals three years in a row 1999/2009, 2000/2010, 2001/2011 then get an injury plagued year 2002/2012, coach gets sacked and is replaced by a multiple premiership winning coach (Pagan/Malthouse) who puts a broom through the place and we spend the next five years missing the finals.

Back playing finals again in 2019. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 10:56 am 
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Will win today! Confident. Hopefully we get some of our "mojo" back and maybe even 5th spot!!!!
Can't wait to see how the forward line goes with the 2 big men setup though. All they have to do is contest - if they don't mark, bring the ball to the ground and the let the little fellas finish the job! My bet is Hammer & Krooz will kick atleast 2 each and show there worth on the ground as well.


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:00 am 
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Hmmm $6.50 the demons.

Might put 100 on & donate the winnings toward Paul Roos' salary :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:07 am 
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Hmmm $6.50 the demons.

Might put 100 on & donate the winnings toward Paul Roos' salary :lol:


From $13 on Monday to $9 towards the end of the week and now $6.50...

Bookies getting worried that we actually might not be that good...

Melbourne have had one hell of a week in the media, I want them to come and play today.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:23 am 
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Primarily focussed on the 4 points.
MUST win against the desperate Demons kids.

How's the weather in Melbourne today?

MCG drainage works well...having watched the Tigers in the wet at the MCG.
Will be slippery if wet...makes things more even??
Lets see if our class rises to the top.

Secondary consideration is percentage.
Need an 11 goal win to pass Swans above us for 5th spot.
Need an 8 goal win to catch up the Crows % and be a game behind them.
Need a 100 piint win to catch up with WCE % and a game or 2 behind them after their derby.

Swans beat Demons by 100 oints last week....can we????
Lets not get too ahead of ourselves; there's plenty of doubt on our group at present.

4 points please...and then we'll judge the Blues' performance after that.

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suns out bondi. cool but doesnt look like too bad a day but it is melbourne so you never know!


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:12 pm 
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Ratten prefers Gibbs at HB. If Gibbs were a running half back with some speed, I'd agree. Bottom line is that Gibbs just cleans up without taking the game on.
It's a defensive, defeatist and conservative mindset

Back your mids, back your defenders and back the structure to get the ball forward of centre where Gibbs can dominate with scoreboard impact.

As it stands, his role is a 'nothing' role in the main (save for a dozen quality performances against Goodes Pendlebury et al)

Gibbs is nothing even close to a gun (Cotchin has overtaken him at a great rate of knots)

But.....a new role forward of centre may be the making of him


..he can be threatening in his hb role, but it's dependent on upfield spread so he can switch play with his long kicking.. ..agreed that he's no line breaking def [yaz, army], nor even really a rebounder [jamo recently, hendo].. ..he's more inclined to switch play, which requires run and spread from his team mates..

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:15 pm 
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Im actually keen on trying out the 3 ruckman thing...........

But do it right.

The last couple of weeks i've seen (on more than one occasion mind you) Kreuzer and Hampson jumping for the ball at the same time and Betts and Jeff NOWHERE to be seen!

Play Warnock and Hampson in the ruck. Kreuzer deep forward and do-not-let Betts leave the forward 50.

Walker & Jeff can play the pockets and move up the ground a bit but FFS leave Kreuzer and Betts up at home and they can be lethal.

Nobody else is trying the 3-ruckman thing. It could prove to be the very thing we need to propel us back into top 4 contenders.

And hey - at least Ratts is trying something. I'm just happy that there's been a change!!!


The thing bothers me though R2 is that if we're at least half fair-dinkum against Melbourne we should win comfortably. Then the punters walk away thinking whatever odd ball tactic or selection happened on the day is the answer to all our problems. I'm not convinced that so called "easy" games are the best places to experiment with tactics. I do like them to blood youngsters and players down on confidence though and they are doing that.


The key thing today is the intent and desire that is shown by the guys out on the ground, the changes may not work this week and won't work in every game, surely the fans will be able to see a difference in the intensety and mental attitude and not just think it completely due to changes made, although looking at some of the posts over the last few weeks I could be wrong.

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