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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:14 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:18 am 
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While he continues to play dumb footy and miss easy goals it is clear to me he will not be a quality key forward. Kick those goals yesterday (with Simmo) and we may have won the game. Just not good enough. Yes he took 13 marks but did not capitalise. The stakes are much higher now.


He kicked 5 last week - he kicked 4 points this week. It happens - he had a bad day infront of goals. Again it happens, it's not that he cannot kick for goal. Maybe he felt the pressure of being the only forward that could take a mark - both deep in the forward line and out at half forward/wing! Instead of blaming Waite, maybe we ask the question on why we are using our backman (Jamison & Bower) as additional KP forwards??

WC had Darling, Kennedy and NicNat in the WET on Saturday night :idea: Top teams are all having 2 KP forwards + resting ruckman.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:20 am 
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It's one loss. The team was flat yesterday and didn't contest nearly as well as the first three rounds.

We were Geelong and they were North Melbourne of last week.

The carrazzo tackle happened in front of me and at the time I thought it was a dirty dirty tackle. But it wont be looked at.

Nevertheless all we can do is look forward to next week.

If we can take it to Fremantle we are back in the hunt.

I thought we would be 3-1 at this stage and we are.

Roll on.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:21 am 
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If crameri had kicked straight we would have lost by a lot more? And if Waite had kIcked straight we might have won.

Players shouldn't tweet? They should be doing more than tweeting.

We are embarrassed by how we played but most of us were arrogant about the game pre game except syngas and keogh who kept quiet pre game so why are we surprised?

Im sure youre proud of knocking over Brissy and Tiges.. and a Collingwood in disaray.

Thats average i suppose....

Still proud being bowled over by the powerhouse Essendon* FC mate??

You dont gain anything from easy wins... you see where we are when they have to handle a challenge.

did we fight back?
Did we adapt Juanita?

How did our players respond?
How did our coaches respond?

Has this happened to us before???

Thats what youre supposed to be looking at... not part tricks against the Lions

lol

As a pessimist as i am... youre the eternal optimist.

Maybe the truth is somewhere in between... but that doesnt mean you can question me...

It makes your ridiculous personal attacks a massive giggle.

Cos you cannot look at what happened in that game.. but you can bring out all your demions and frustrations on me.

But its water off a ducks back.!!!

Cos youre uninteresting ... you have very little to add.. but i do need to remind you of what you are about in here.

So i did!!...

Keep getting a woddy over beating teams that wont be challenging for a flag this year....(including Collingwood)

and if they do.. and we dont.. its just more food for thought!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:24 am 
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We should have been 4-0. End of story and no excuses.
I'm not down and out like some others, just pissed off as I felt this unfolding during the week with all the bullshit about us.
I felt un-easy when I saw the Essendon* side and certaintly we didn't help ourselves.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:28 am 
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Just had a quick look at the replay (before I delete from IQ) and Lonergan had no intention but to hurt. Malthouse decribes it as a "very very rank tackle" and he is spot on. Disgraceful effort :mad:




Gary Lyon on MMM praised Lonergan for taking Carrazzo out of the game :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:46 am 
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club29 wrote:
IMO Ratts and co have every to stick to the method and gameplan that had us win the first 3 and gameplan that they want to take into the future. The dons had a counter gameplan that was working well against ours but we need to learn to overcome that. We dont want them dictating what we do. We know our gameplan works when we are switched on and are winning the contested balls. IF we fail to win them then we lose and the players will learn that. The Pies and Cats rarely adjusted their gameplans during their good years. It was a case of play the plan right and you win. Stuff it up and you lose. Personally i like that philosphy.

So i dont blame the coaches for not taking a man out of our structure to stand their +2 in defence. I dont blame them for sticking with gibbs in defence because that has been important to our 3 wins previously. If we had of won the contested ball and got in their faces when they had it then we would have been ok.

The players need to take the blame. Flat as tacks and gave the gameplan no chance of working.

Yes, but I think the MC has a case to answer as well with selection - yes, easy in hindsight, but I think AJ's pace, run, hardness and shutdown abilities could've made some difference.


I agree rexy. The selection of Brock along with Curnow and slowish Duigan robbed from our strength and also contributed along with the flatness of the players to the 23 not being able to implement the gameplan.

Learn from it and move on.

I dont think we will get a win next week but the following 5 games a very winnable.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:46 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
If crameri had kicked straight we would have lost by a lot more? And if Waite had kIcked straight we might have won.

Players shouldn't tweet? They should be doing more than tweeting.

We are embarrassed by how we played but most of us were arrogant about the game pre game except syngas and keogh who kept quiet pre game so why are we surprised?

Im sure youre proud of knocking over Brissy and Tiges.. and a Collingwood in disaray.

Thats average i suppose....

Still proud being bowled over by the powerhouse Essendon* FC mate??

You dont gain anything from easy wins... you see where we are when they have to handle a challenge.

did we fight back?
Did we adapt Juanita?

How did our players respond?
How did our coaches respond?

Has this happened to us before???

Thats what youre supposed to be looking at... not part tricks against the Lions

lol

As a pessimist as i am... youre the eternal optimist.

Maybe the truth is somewhere in between... but that doesnt mean you can question me...

It makes your ridiculous personal attacks a massive giggle.

Cos you cannot look at what happened in that game.. but you can bring out all your demions and frustrations on me.

But its water off a ducks back.!!!

Cos youre uninteresting ... you have very little to add.. but i do need to remind you of what you are about in here.

So i did!!...

Keep getting a woddy over beating teams that wont be challenging for a flag this year....(including Collingwood)

and if they do.. and we dont.. its just more food for thought!!!


I'm watching my nephew play footy now. He is having a bit of a giggle with his opponent. Enjoy life and don't take everything so seriously.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:46 am 
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I just can't believe we aren't going to win the April premiership now. Guttered.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:52 am 
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Heavs wrote:
I just can't believe we aren't going to win the April premiership now. Guttered.

Win your home and away games.
Get the best possible momentum in every way.. and youre a chance.

Cant beat teams you should beat.. youll struggle.

Momentum and confidence

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:54 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Heavs wrote:
I just can't believe we aren't going to win the April premiership now. Guttered.

Win your home and away games.
Get the best possible momentum in every way.. and youre a chance.

Cant beat teams you should beat.. youll struggle.

Momentum and confidence

Just like Geelong should have beaten us in their premiership year of 2009, and should have beaten Essendon* in 2011.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:56 am 
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I'm not sure on those criticising the selections. Based on the last 3 weeks and last week in particular who would you drop and who would you bring in? Jamo and Duigan weren't going to be dropped after 1 game back. Couldn't predict Carrots going down so early.

Siegfried wrote:

Yes, we were smashed in the midfield yesterday, which doesn't help. And yet, as at 3/4 time, we had 3 more inside 50s, but 12 fewer scoring shots. They are damning numbers. By game's end (taking into account the last quarter junk time), 5 more inside 50s and 10 fewer scoring shots. That tells me that we are not getting value for the number of times we are going forward, something I felt was also true even in our earlier wins.


This has been happening for quite some time. It was one of Ratten's favourite stats back in 2010 when we were playing badly - that we were getting the inside 50s.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:59 am 
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CK95 wrote:
The_Cranium wrote:
Just had a quick look at the replay (before I delete from IQ) and Lonergan had no intention but to hurt. Malthouse decribes it as a "very very rank tackle" and he is spot on. Disgraceful effort :mad:




Gary Lyon on MMM praised Lonergan for taking Carrazzo out of the game :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:



footy is about being ruthless too!!!...

The Lions did it..
The Cats would do it...!!!

Its why they were good footy sides.

The system will take care of everything after the game.. if its deemed outside of the rules.

But footy is about doing what it takes.

We used to do it all the time....when we were great!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:00 am 
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missnaut wrote:
I'm not sure on those criticising the selections. Based on the last 3 weeks and last week in particular who would you drop and who would you bring in? Jamo and Duigan weren't going to be dropped after 1 game back. Couldn't predict Carrots going down so early.

Siegfried wrote:

Yes, we were smashed in the midfield yesterday, which doesn't help. And yet, as at 3/4 time, we had 3 more inside 50s, but 12 fewer scoring shots. They are damning numbers. By game's end (taking into account the last quarter junk time), 5 more inside 50s and 10 fewer scoring shots. That tells me that we are not getting value for the number of times we are going forward, something I felt was also true even in our earlier wins.


This has been happening for quite some time. It was one of Ratten's favourite stats back in 2010 when we were playing badly - that we were getting the inside 50s.

Duigan and Jameson look rusty

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:32 am 
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Feel even worse today. How did we dish That up a week after probably our best win in a long, long time?

Mentally soft.

This one hurts. Badly. A major regression yesterday compounded by injuries.

Hard to see us bouncing back this week, especially with our likely outs.

The sad reality is we will continue to be pretenders until we do not dish up performances like yesterday. Not just the loss, but the way we lost. Ugly all round.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:55 am 
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Captain Dan wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Heavs wrote:
I just can't believe we aren't going to win the April premiership now. Guttered.

Win your home and away games.
Get the best possible momentum in every way.. and youre a chance.

Cant beat teams you should beat.. youll struggle.

Momentum and confidence

Just like Geelong should have beaten us in their premiership year of 2009, and should have beaten Essendon* in 2011.

Oh yeah!
We Geelong now.
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Thanks.

Geelong have achieved!!!

The questions are on us not them

And they had a review of the club too!!!

Theres some real honesty in that

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:11 pm 
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We are not one of the great teams but we are a good one capable of a great season. Even the great teams lost games in their premiership years. We are going to lose games this year. It wont be the end of the world. We can learn from the losses and make ourselves a better team. Stick to the process we believe in and give it our best shot.

The last thing the club want to do is panic like some of the posters on this site.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:25 pm 
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club29 wrote:
We are not one of the great teams but we are a good one capable of a great season. Even the great teams lost games in their premiership years. We are going to lose games this year. It wont be the end of the world. We can learn from the losses and make ourselves a better team. Stick to the process we believe in and give it our best shot.

The last thing the club want to do is panic like some of the posters on this site.


Isn't the aim to be one of the "great" teams (whatever that means in the post draft years)? What if the process we believe in is not the right one? That might be the entire point.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:41 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
club29 wrote:
We are not one of the great teams but we are a good one capable of a great season. Even the great teams lost games in their premiership years. We are going to lose games this year. It wont be the end of the world. We can learn from the losses and make ourselves a better team. Stick to the process we believe in and give it our best shot.

The last thing the club want to do is panic like some of the posters on this site.


Isn't the aim to be one of the "great" teams (whatever that means in the post draft years)? What if the process we believe in is not the right one? That might be the entire point.


If the process we believe in is not the right one then the people in charge gave it their best shot and came up short. Wont be the first and wont be the last time thats happened but at this stage you couldn't call it either way.

Until then we have to back the plans, learn from the occasional speed hump and work like mad to make the plans bare fruit.

Yesterday proved what every person in footy has been saying all year. Contested ball is king. Win it and you more than likely win the game. We didn't win it just like the WC and dogs games last year and we lost. Not too many gameplans in AFL succeed without winning the clearances/contested ball.


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