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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:43 pm 
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Pros-
Bower backed up his good start with a solid performance. Only butchered the ball once or twice but they didn't *really* hurt us.
It was a real 'team effort' win in that I don't think anyone was carried through the game.
2-0 start to the year with an opportunity to go 3-0 with a win over the Pies as icing on the cake!
Jarred Waite not being reported for anything and kicking a small bag too!
Zac Touhey (sp?) showed a lot of class - the depth for Carlton is really great.
Hard to see any faults with structure/players that wouldn't just be nitpicking individual incidents (i.e. not systemic)

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There was a run of poor set shots in front of goal again, though they turned it around.
Hampson didn't back up his good performance up forward, though was serviceable in ruck.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:49 pm 
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The preseason just finished and we're ready for the real stuff.
I'm up here vs Bris and byron blues its all blues this weekend.
Bring them all on
The nervous nellies should feel more comfortable vs Pies
Bring them on.
We are the team to beat in 2012 ff

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:42 pm 
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I submitted the following to Ch 7 (http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbour ... php?id=638)

Please ... the footy ... the camera angles. It doesn't have to be artistic. Keep it simple. Medium range shots and keep it there. The overuse of boundary level closeups destroy the viewers continuity. And I tune in to watch the game, not the coaches or various other spectators.

Come on guys. Channel 10 made it look easy.


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:42 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
I submitted the following to Ch 7 (http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbour ... php?id=638)

Please ... the footy ... the camera angles. It doesn't have to be artistic. Keep it simple. Medium range shots and keep it there. The overuse of boundary level closeups destroy the viewers continuity. And I tune in to watch the game, not the coaches or various other spectators.

Come on guys. Channel 10 made it look easy.

I posted last night about the terrible camera angles and how annoying it was to see Voss, Ratten and Jono Brown, especially in the first quarter.


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:05 am 
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club29 wrote:
missnaut wrote:
Pros
Didn't take foot off in last
Goal kicking in second half
Murphy
Waite

Cons
Hampson struggled
Goal kicking in first half
Giving away a few dumb 50s each game
Ball often sprints out of forward line when we turn it over - good teams will punish this


That is how the press works missnaut. It was in top form last night. The idea is to get more score applying the press than the opposition get from getting through the press. I think we have had that covered so far this year.
You can expect Henda to play very good games of footy but still have 4 kicked on him. That is because once the oppo get through the press heJ is left hung out to dry. Still though the press is supplying a large amount of our score so that tactic wont be changed in a hurry.


I know how it works. Teams like Brisbane and Richmond will stuff it up tho once they clear the ball. Good teams won't and our defence isn't settled enough yet. Good teams will alsobe forcing more turnovers in our forward line.

We have played two really crap teams and I'm just not sure exactly where we stand with the better clubs yet


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:24 am 
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Stupid AFL and its fixtures. 5 day break is a joke for anyone. It is just no possible to physically back up in such a short time frame the way the game is played these days.

Regards Cazzesman



Brisbane want the Easter Thurs game against Carlton to be a perennial event.
Given that Carl-Rich is the season opener on a Thurs, unless the Brions get the first Fri which is VERY unlikely, Brisbane will get and accept a 5 day break every time.

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:46 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Stupid AFL and its fixtures. 5 day break is a joke for anyone. It is just no possible to physically back up in such a short time frame the way the game is played these days.

Regards Cazzesman



Brisbane want the Easter Thurs game against Carlton to be a perennial event.
Given that Carl-Rich is the season opener on a Thurs, unless the Brions get the first Fri which is VERY unlikely, Brisbane will get and accept a 5 day break every time.


That probably won't work for Brisbane as next year Easter Thursday is on the 28th March, so that would normally line up as round 1.

The big pro of winning on Easter Thursday is you get to enjoy the long weekend :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:06 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
I submitted the following to Ch 7 (http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbour ... php?id=638)

Please ... the footy ... the camera angles. It doesn't have to be artistic. Keep it simple. Medium range shots and keep it there. The overuse of boundary level closeups destroy the viewers continuity. And I tune in to watch the game, not the coaches or various other spectators.

Come on guys. Channel 10 made it look easy.


Thanks for the link BigKev. I just added my two cents as well. Just because they have 100 cameras at the game doesn't mean they have to use them all, all the time.

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:26 pm 
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Blues87 wrote:
BigKev wrote:
I submitted the following to Ch 7 (http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbour ... php?id=638)

Please ... the footy ... the camera angles. It doesn't have to be artistic. Keep it simple. Medium range shots and keep it there. The overuse of boundary level closeups destroy the viewers continuity. And I tune in to watch the game, not the coaches or various other spectators.

Come on guys. Channel 10 made it look easy.


Thanks for the link BigKev. I just added my two cents as well. Just because they have 100 cameras at the game doesn't mean they have to use them all, all the time.


Welcome 87.
Must be the first time in the history of VFL/AFL television coverage that viewers have even noticed, let alone complained, about the camera angles.


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
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What I hate most about the telecast is that you get all twisted and confused about which end you are supposed to be following. :confused:

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
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BigKev wrote:
Blues87 wrote:
BigKev wrote:
I submitted the following to Ch 7 (http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbour ... php?id=638)

Please ... the footy ... the camera angles. It doesn't have to be artistic. Keep it simple. Medium range shots and keep it there. The overuse of boundary level closeups destroy the viewers continuity. And I tune in to watch the game, not the coaches or various other spectators.

Come on guys. Channel 10 made it look easy.


Thanks for the link BigKev. I just added my two cents as well. Just because they have 100 cameras at the game doesn't mean they have to use them all, all the time.


Welcome 87.
Must be the first time in the history of VFL/AFL television coverage that viewers have even noticed, let alone complained, about the camera angles.

They need to take the 'Bower' approach - just do the basics well - at the moment it's a clusterfk


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:55 pm 
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Con: all those knobwipe journos who were so gleeful to sink the slipper when we were bad want to jump on our bandwagon.

F 'em.

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:51 pm 
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Pro's
Jarrad Waites form. He is really important to us.
The defensive pressure after quarter time.
Mark Murphy whom may not just be Carlton's number one midfielder but perhaps in the competition.
Jamison and Duigan and Walks to come back in yet.

Con's
Another slow start against Collingawood that could be dangerous.
We never let up and took our foot off there throats when we had it there.
Hampson was a bit disappointing.


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:59 pm 
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Northern Blue wrote:
Pro's
Jarrad Waites form. He is really important to us.
The defensive pressure after quarter time.
Mark Murphy whom may not just be Carlton's number one midfielder but perhaps in the competition.
Jamison and Duigan and Walks to come back in yet.

Con's
Another slow start against Collingawood that could be dangerous.
We never let up and took our foot off there throats when we had it there.
Hampson was a bit disappointing.


Why was Hammer disappointing? His ruck work especially in the forward 50 was very good. Yes he didn't kick 3 or 4 goals, but he was creating contests and tackling/pressuring the kicker.


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
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Pro : NO BRAIN FADES!!!!!! FINALLY!

Cons : Sloppy disposal in the first quarter


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:07 pm 
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Pro's:

Judd returning to some decent form
Watching footy live at the Gabba. Great stadium

Con's

Russell when he came on in the last quarter and his first disposal was ordinary and missed the target by 15m. Needs to be better than that to hold his spot.


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
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Russell when he came on in the last quarter and his first disposal was ordinary and missed the target by 15m. Needs to be better than that to hold his spot.


Yeah but did you see his fantastic pass out of defence to Yarran at about the 14th minute mark of last quarter? I was sitting at that end of the ground and he thought his way through it beautifully and executed to perfection. It was a glimpse of what he was doing in 2009-2010.

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Roy wrote:
Russell when he came on in the last quarter and his first disposal was ordinary and missed the target by 15m. Needs to be better than that to hold his spot.


Yeah but did you see his fantastic pass out of defence to Yarran at about the 14th minute mark of last quarter? I was sitting at that end of the ground and he thought his way through it beautifully and executed to perfection. It was a glimpse of what he was doing in 2009-2010.


Can we please only concentrate on the JR negatives :banghead:

I too saw that pass ABNS :gift:


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:32 pm 
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Pros:

Brilliant game from Murphy and Judd.
Another good game from Bower. Not sure what the MC are going to do next week with Jamo and Duigan, but I hope they reward Bower's good form and keep him in the team. He may not be our first choice anymore, but you want fringe players to know that good performances are rewarded.
We're a much better side with Waite up forward.
Another good (and confidence boosting) performance by Lucas.
Were very good defensively after quarter time.

Cons:

Leaked goals far too easily early in the game.
Pity that a couple of our fringe players in Hammer and Army weren't able to follow up their excellent performances from the previous week.


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:35 am 
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Northern Blue wrote:
Pro's
Jarrad Waites form. He is really important to us.
The defensive pressure after quarter time.
Mark Murphy whom may not just be Carlton's number one midfielder but perhaps in the competition.
Jamison and Duigan and Walks to come back in yet.

Con's
Another slow start against Collingawood that could be dangerous.
We never let up and took our foot off there throats when we had it there.
Hampson was a bit disappointing.

Why is this a Con???

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