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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:16 pm 
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There is a stark difference between when Yarren runs out with the ball to that of Armfield and Bower

The later two are two of the many ball butcherers we have in our team

Yarren on the other hand is pure class when he delivers 9 time out of 10

No sense breaking the line only to cough it up and that is both their problem

I have no issue with the way either of them attack the ball and take the game on but it is what they do with it when they get it that concerns me

Yes but there is a stark diffference between only relying on Yarran to do that than having a few others too..
Yarran will get isolated and shut down
Bower has the balls to do it.. and so does Armfield.
The best thing about Bower being capable of doing it (And Hendo) is that theyre talls running it out.. thats something you work with not squash...

So the trick is how does it improve.. not stop it!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:56 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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Look on Bower.. he has played some serviceable games.
He has played and done a good job on pretty good forwards.
Just needs his confidence up again and his body to be fit

Personally i love it when he goes on a dash .. he makes things happen.
Cant remember who it was a couple of years ago when he went on one of those dashes kicked the ball forward we ran onto it and kicked a goal and won the game.I cant handle players that create nothing... (Carrazzo in particular(wish he got less touches so the opposition gets less of the ball).. Davies who is steak and eggs and thats all...and one or two others..... maybe three or four

wish Buckley would hurry up we need a Whitehead in the side...


Juddy's first game back at Subi, rd 7 '08 from memory. We were about to blow a match winning half time lead with WCE having all the momentum in the second half. Until Bower broke the game open with a brilliant dash from the backline during the 4th qtr which ended up in a Simmo goal from memory. Changed the course of the game and we went on to have a good win.

Great, great night at the footy :thumbsup:



Not going to hang the Bower hat on that one play.. cos he has SHOWN he can play defensively on Buddy Reiwoldt and Cloke... but.. its the kind of tools you need.
The rest is all confidence and schooling for Bower... so there is a sense of predictability on where he goes with the ball in his hand.

I think were fortunate.. Hendo can do it.. JAmeson showed he can also.. and its important Bower just improves upon what hes doing as well.
Personally i think he can...

Its great if theyre moons orbiting each other instead of having a lot of moons and not much orbiting around their slow movement.

Just drilling...

The 3 or 4 HBFers that are on can do it too.....just not sure about the other 20 of them...

The other thing is if we get our HANDS on the ball FIRST... defensively the job is alot easierr for the defenders.

I know Kouta here thinks "medium height, athletically built, skilled disposers, good decision makers who can execute their talents through the defensive and middle part of the ground " x 20 is a magnificent idea... but thats assuming youre expecting to be playing the game in your back half.. and not middle and forward.

1) hands on ball
2) scoring shots

thats where the game is won and played

backward of centre???

game can be saved not won.

0-0 draw at best.. but still need 1 point to win the game...

Now ... if you can score 130 points youll win most games of footy...


so really youre attempting to play football in your forward line.. and hem in their backline....
A bit like what WC did to us here last year....

thats the PERFECT position to be playing the game ...thats perfection in strategy

Get that to near perfect as possible .. youre very hard to beat

no that quote belongs to me, and I did say 8 or 9 playing through the defensive and middle part of the ground (Yarran Tuohy Scotto Duigan Laids Gibbs Simmo Lucas.....)

I agree we need more elite contested mids to help out in rotations - have to remember though the opposition does actually win some clearances so we have to be able to create scoring opportunities from situations other than stoppages


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:32 pm 
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Cant belong to you..IMPOSSIBLE !!! Kouta says it beongs to him if you read what he says.. he clearly states "i" ... "i" is not a duo .. its singular.. and in this case he means himself.

Yes and clearly we have way too many hbfers.. or "medium height, athletically built, skilled disposers, good decision makers who can execute their talents through the defensive and middle part of the ground " cos alot of them arent even in the side..

what we dont have any depth in is the coalface.. where the game is won and lost ...

Some people (not just me ) consider it the engine room...

Like a car.. the wheels will only rotate and the car will only project forward if the engine is working....

You can have nice seats.. and you can have a big boot.. or a deep glove box...you can even have a sunroof .. but its not going anywhere if the engine is kaput!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:53 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Some people (not just me ) consider it the engine room...

Like a car.. the wheels will only rotate and the car will only project forward if the engine is working....

You can have nice seats.. and you can have a big boot.. or a deep glove box...you can even have a sunroof .. but its not going anywhere if the engine is kaput!


Not quite the best of analogies as all players, unlike sunroofs or gloveboxes do actually move and are all part of the motor.

I doubt though that there would be anyone here, not aware of the fact we could use another tough inside mid.

Haven't we done this before,........once,.....twice,.......three times..........


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Proven how? By your opinion? What was it you said about Hendo last year?

Proven poor judge?


Well ... yes ... forums are all about personal opinions ... and incidentally when it comes to Bower ... I am not the only one with that opinion ... a lot of people on this forum have been upset with that part of his game ... and on the radio I hear commentators saying exactly the same thing.

In my opinion ... Bower has proven to be an extremely poor decision maker. I wish he wasn't because he has other attributes that would be useful in our team.

With regards to my opinion on Henderson ... when he first started I was very critical and I did not believe he would make it. When he moved to the back line he became quite an acquisition ... and have since stated that I was absolutely wrong about him. People make mistakes ... I am sure you have. I hope Bower proves me wrong also ... can't see it happening unless he learns to make good decisions under pressure (and for that matter when he is not under pressure). At the moment he should be way back in the pecking order.

As usual ... I wish Paul Bower all the best in his attempts to become a regular member of the team.


Thanks. Only wanted to establish you realise the difference between something being proven and something being your opinion.

You're of course entitled to your opinion. Its only an issue when you try to pass it off as fact.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:57 pm 
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harker wrote:
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Some people (not just me ) consider it the engine room...

Like a car.. the wheels will only rotate and the car will only project forward if the engine is working....

You can have nice seats.. and you can have a big boot.. or a deep glove box...you can even have a sunroof .. but its not going anywhere if the engine is kaput!


Not quite the best of analogies as all players, unlike sunroofs or gloveboxes do actually move and are all part of the motor.

I doubt though that there would be anyone here, not aware of the fact we could use another tough inside mid.

Haven't we done this before,........once,.....twice,.......three times..........



You mean drafted hbfers in a row instead of the players in the engine room???

you have no idea how much im spewing with this utter lunacy of not hunting what we need instead of adding to what we already have an abundance of.

If this year is blown ...

.. next year Judd is 30..Scotland might be retired.. and we draft a first year player to go in there?
Are they for flower real????

I woudnt even care if we traded for a player like that......

Its just crazy planning when were trying to win a flag!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:04 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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Proven how? By your opinion? What was it you said about Hendo last year?

Proven poor judge?


Well ... yes ... forums are all about personal opinions ... and incidentally when it comes to Bower ... I am not the only one with that opinion ... a lot of people on this forum have been upset with that part of his game ... and on the radio I hear commentators saying exactly the same thing.

In my opinion ... Bower has proven to be an extremely poor decision maker. I wish he wasn't because he has other attributes that would be useful in our team.

With regards to my opinion on Henderson ... when he first started I was very critical and I did not believe he would make it. When he moved to the back line he became quite an acquisition ... and have since stated that I was absolutely wrong about him. People make mistakes ... I am sure you have. I hope Bower proves me wrong also ... can't see it happening unless he learns to make good decisions under pressure (and for that matter when he is not under pressure). At the moment he should be way back in the pecking order.

As usual ... I wish Paul Bower all the best in his attempts to become a regular member of the team.


Thanks. Only wanted to establish you realise the difference between something being proven and something being your opinion.

You're of course entitled to your opinion. Its only an issue when you try to pass it off as fact.

The only time anything is actually proven is when we win a flag or not...
Everything else proves jack shit....!!!
Might be alot of factors with whatever opionion we have... but im only interested in a flag.. and thats the proof for anything i need.

that includes what we do with bower / setanta/ how we play/ hbfers.....

if we dont win a flag in this era.. (3 years to 5) thats the proof we did things wrong

if we do win one... its proof they have and had it under control...

what we think doesnt matter... we just use this site to rant!!!
you hate Bower.. i think get him right and hes valuable...

But who cares if we win a flag if Bower is or not.. except to him and his friends.
Thats the cruel reality of footy!!!

if we win a flag this year.. you wont spew bower was in...

if we win one and hes not in it.. i wont spew cos bower wasnt part of it (though i did spew about Troy Bond).. but only for a second...

Footy is about premierships .. except to those that dont win them...

In the meantime we have opinions.

.. and we vent!!!

Dane doesnt like us to vent .. and either does Cazzesman....

And we wont.. if we win a flag!!!.. SOON!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:14 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:17 pm 
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Hope we win the flag on Sunday.

Then we can be pissed off again on Monday

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:31 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
Hope we win the flag on Sunday.

Hope we can lose on sunday right???
I think youre rationalising.
Lets pretend we wanna lose 4 or 5 pre season games straight... and show little.. in case thats what happens.

Classic loser mentality!!!

part of what you do and dont do and then learn from sunday will have a bearing to how you go the rest of the season....

thats what life is all about.

.. and flags.....

Its abit like the guys who would say "hope we get knocked out of the nab cup so we dont get injuries..."

then the next week you have to go play on some cow paddock in the bush....

The result might not be important.. but you do wanna have the capacity of fighting something out.. getting some confidence and unearthing players.

There is no substitute in the REAL world to those things.....

cos u dont win flags with bugger all preparation and rusty players...

Good players rusty.. or out...???

Lesser tier players hungry for a spot.. competiton!!!

Not excuses!!!

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Thanks Synbad, I was kinda talking about Bower, but good on you for not missing an opportunity.

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There's no substitute for an actual AFL game, but I would argue some match simulation and pre-season games are comparable.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:19 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
You mean drafted hbfers in a row instead of the players in the engine room???

you have no idea how much im spewing with this utter lunacy of not hunting what we need instead of adding to what we already have an abundance of.

If this year is blown ...

.. next year Judd is 30..Scotland might be retired.. and we draft a first year player to go in there?
Are they for flower real????

I woudnt even care if we traded for a player like that......

Its just crazy planning when were trying to win a flag!!!


Surprised this argument doesn't find its way into the Iphone thread.

Me and you and a dog named boo wanted an inside mid that would make impact at AFL level, but if they weren't there, then they weren't there at 22 and beyond.
My concerns for what we don't have are futile, but I am concerned for what we have that can't find their way onto the field.
Either way we can't do much about it so let's just urge the CFC to manage our players back to health. The rest will take care of itself.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:50 pm 
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harker wrote:
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You mean drafted hbfers in a row instead of the players in the engine room???

you have no idea how much im spewing with this utter lunacy of not hunting what we need instead of adding to what we already have an abundance of.

If this year is blown ...

.. next year Judd is 30..Scotland might be retired.. and we draft a first year player to go in there?
Are they for flower real????

I woudnt even care if we traded for a player like that......

Its just crazy planning when were trying to win a flag!!!


Surprised this argument doesn't find its way into the Iphone thread.

Me and you and a dog named boo wanted an inside mid that would make impact at AFL level, but if they weren't there, then they weren't there at 22 and beyond.My concerns for what we don't have are futile, but I am concerned for what we have that can't find their way onto the field.
Either way we can't do much about it so let's just urge the CFC to manage our players back to health. The rest will take care of itself.


Were'nt there? It comes down to opionion or interpretation, doesnt it?
I'd classify Seb Ross as a potential quality inside mid. He has deficiencies but so does Bootsma or any other kid drafted.

As for some of the recent comments about Bower, I like his courage. It takes strength of character to take on the opposition and run with the ball. Most importantly, it's the best method of breaking up a zone other than an 80 metre kick. Yes Bower may screw up occasionally but it usually ends up in a stoppage or a contested situation at worst.
No worse than a kick down the line.
I'd be far more concerned about JRs total lack of confidence or unwillingness to exert himself upon the contest at the moment than a player showing initiative and confidence.

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I think we are all concerned about JR at the moment BV everything about his game seems to be off
Noticed he has been trying these dinky little kicks that keep getting cut off . He is like a golfer trying to lob on the green with a lob wedge instead of whacking it he trys to control it the kicks lack power and get chopped up

Hope he turns it around

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:19 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I think we are all concerned about JR at the moment BV everything about his game seems to be off
Noticed he has been trying these dinky little kicks that keep getting cut off . He is like a golfer trying to lob on the green with a lob wedge instead of whacking it he trys to control it the kicks lack power and get chopped up

Hope he turns it around


Good point and he's not the only one.
Wonder whether that may be something of a trial os sorts.
Russell has a great kick on him hence should use it along with Watson, whose most recent games had him trying the same sort of tricks.


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harker wrote:
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I think we are all concerned about JR at the moment BV everything about his game seems to be off
Noticed he has been trying these dinky little kicks that keep getting cut off . He is like a golfer trying to lob on the green with a lob wedge instead of whacking it he trys to control it the kicks lack power and get chopped up

Hope he turns it around


Good point and he's not the only one.
Wonder whether that may be something of a trial os sorts.
Russell has a great kick on him hence should use it along with Watson, whose most recent games had him trying the same sort of tricks.

Watson is far more accurate. I can report that Russell definitely gives the impression he's not an entirely happy camper with his football when he's given a moment to pause. Smart bloke and he'll do everything he can to turn it around, unlike some of the clowns who drowned his thread with noise back in the day (hi Synners).

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This game is a good opportunity to give Juddy and Waite another run.
This game is a good opportunity to have a look at Watson, Hampson, Russell, Bower etc in respective positions some more.
This game is a good opportunity to give the team for round 1 a good run together.
That is all this game is important for, the scoreboard is irrelevant.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:44 pm 
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Well said Surrey Blue.

It is the last chance we have and the players have to throw their name into the mix.

Whilst Jamison, Warnock, Duigan, Walker and Laidler had dispuption to their match practise program, I'm sure they are pretty fit.
Not so much Warnock (but he must be close to rnd 2 or 3, because there isn't any word suggesting he isn't close).
So the list is quite healthy....match fitness no, but ability and stamina...yep!

Its about those 2nd tier players who the MC must get a good glimpse at.

I know our best 15 on the field can turn it on when they have to, but we need another 3-4 to the squad: hopefully it comes from development of some of the kids you mention...and imo Bower is still a kid...as is Armfield.
I'm hoping we have 25 who can turn on the intensity and deliver the goods if we're going to fight out for a flag in this 2012 war of attrition.

As mentoned over and over Yarran, Judd, Scotland, Simpson, Murphy, Jamo do, but so do Armfield and Bower, as players who have the balls to take the lines on and that's because they are great athletic specimens. I prefer to see this quality in most of our first 22 on GF day.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:55 pm 
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Having Mitchell and Rowe on the sidelines with one practise match to go puts a lot of pressure on others to perform KPF.
That's my biggest concern. Injuries to big men....and a few ????? queries on all our KPF's.

I'm so glad...and probably we're really lucky...we haven't injury impact to our midfield...then we'd be really [REDACTED].

We have the list to win a flag this year.
We have to have the mind set to treat every game as war...and hope we can keep our list together for the last game in September.

Cordy and his crew know how to look after the rest....and Qatar will make a huge difference this year.....when the boys realise they're back in OZ!!

Four quarters against North Melbourne, and a good spread of minutes into everyone; they're all important.

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