Why does it always have to be what we get out of the club?

They keep us entertained by watching games, reading about them and debating about them. Also makes for a good conversation at work when it gets boring.

Thats enough value for money for me.

Support the club, with no strings...........

And where's the support back?

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

First time back on the board for a few months and this thread caught my attention, particularly as I have my whole family (wife and two little girls) as members for the first time. I paid up about two months and yet to receive anything from the club.

I must say I’m a little concerned by the Governance model of the club. In my mind, a proper governance would have the board elected by the club members, which then the board has the delegation to appoint a CEO. From there the CEO has the delegation to appoint staff who report to him, which if I understand correctly is the head coach.

The piece which seems to not be there is the election of board members... I see a ‘deal’ was been done with the chap who set his own web page up (sorry can’t remember his name). The precedent was set with Richard Pratt being elected club president... yes I understand why and the enormous legacy he has left the club when we were on our knees but this appointment appears to have set a precedent.

So who are the board members accountable to if members can’t readily elect them? Or does the constitution enforce this and members can push on this (as per the voting out of the Elliot regime)?

There are also in my opinion way too many board members... this would lead to an assumption that a few board members like the status and idea of being a board member rather than putting the club’s interests first. I think this level needs to be rectified first before we get into the whys and wherefores of other appointments.

So after all this why did I renew my membership and get memberships for my family? Because going to the footy is one of the few occasions I get to spend time with mates having a beer and catching up.... and my little girls love Juddy.

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17 4 10

Don't know how old your are Drewgirl but that's life unfortunately - "Whats in it for me"

To me the membership package you buy should be all about how many games you want to see - Maybe because I am from interstate that I feel that way . I think the clubs play on peoples emotions to much with memberships and that's why people get pissed off quickly when things change , If you treat it like I am buying a seat at a concert and going 11 times your mind set would be a lot better when the club makes membership changes . If you buying a membership so you can vote on a board I think you are buying it for the wrong reasons because football clubs in general despite what they protray are fairly inclusive and outsiders are not generally welcome

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

I think you mean exclusive there SB.
I also think that getting a vote is a very good reason to become a "member", otherwise we should just rename it to "ticketholder". It is after all a club that you're supposedly joining when you stump up your cash.

As members of a club we should have some say in how the club is being run, and people being appointed to the board rather than being elected is setting a dangerous precedent IMO.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

I think you are right Wojee

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

This is actually a pretty good way of looking at it.

Change the title from member to ticketholder, and all of a sudden you have way fewer expectations from and obligations to your customers.

However, given the vast amounts of TV coverage and the fact that most games can be purchased as walk-ups most of the time, there aren't a lot of rational reasons to become a member/ticketholder...

So clubs couch it in terms of 'being part of the team' and sharing the journey and all these inclusive motherhood statements; aiming squarely at the heart, not the head.

Which is fine as long as you actually deliver an experience that follows-through with the sales spiel. Our club doesn't, so we buy a membership not really expecting a lot in return.

But we're the diehards on here. Most people expect a special experience for outlaying money (they want this from all their disposable-dollar purchases) and a smart club would give it to them.

If a club does, then they can realistically look at 70,000 members. Otherwise, it's middle of the pack. Good, but not great.

But you complain about the club more than anyone? I could bring up dozens of posts that you made last season criticizing selection, membership packs, coaches, etc.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

I like the way that sentence is framed. The only reason it is classed as 'member' is that if the Club is wound up while the applicant is an Ordinary member or within one year after the applicant or person ceases to be an Ordinary member, the 'member' is liable to contribute up to $50.00 to the assets of the Club.

That wouldn't be the case if you were classed as a ticketholder which is a more common term for sporting organisations that have an ownership structure. That the club abides by a constitution and formally reports to members is similar to that of a registered company and its shareholders. But in very recent times, company shareholders rights have been strengthened more than they have ever been.

And for the big companies like Rio Tinto and BHP which are dual listed in the UK, new rules require all companies to hold annual vote on the board, and BHP and Rio have to comply.

Our football club is moving further away from strengthening its shareholder (you the member) engagement. The clubs hierarchy - in my eyes - believe that increased exposure through social media will suffice. In the meantime, our rivals on the corner of Olympic Boulevard and Batman Avenue happily advertised their AGM to fans on a regular basis, presented their fans with social media (twitter, facebook) of the event and shared details/highlights of events the very next day. Exactly what I want from a company that I have invested money in. My club advertised the AGM once on the website and once, months before in a newspaper - (it's a legal obligation). There was no press on the clubs website in the weeks leading up to the 2011 AGM, nor was there foresight to communicate an AGM to members (shareholders) via any new media.



I view the entertainment I get out of the game as part of a dividend I get out (or once did) of the club for my investment. For my continued loyalty - I expect to be treated like a company shareholder.

I would love to be able to say we do that at Carlton, but we don't. I would love to be able to put 'I AM A SHAREHOLDER' on my 'I AM CARLTON' mug - but i don't feel that way. Neither does the club. The corporate world are being forced to acknowledge they are employees of the company's owners, the shareholders. Why shouldn't that same thing work for Carlton?

Unfortunately, we are not going to see change for some time. That much is clear given board numbers, board factions, senior staff contracts and strategic direction set. Hence, my decision not to remain a shareholder or invest in the club by any means, was made a hell of a lot easier.

We're all looking forward to a well overdue "bonus" dividend come Saturday 29th September.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Pretty sure I got a letter in the mail about the AGM and some constitutional changes that needed to be voted on. I am assuming every member that is eligible to vote gets one of those in the mail.

Nope. But then the club still sends me stuff to an email address I haven't used since 2004. And considering my membership pack arrived this year informing me that... 'You have been a member for 1 year'... nothing surprises me anymore.

Same clubs that wanted to rebuild punt road right?
Must be forgetting in your ol age indeed.

You would have to be pretty old to remember that because the reason Richmond moved from Punt Road to the MCG back in 1960s was the Board of Works taking a part of the ground to widen Punt Road.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

No the economy is crashing not covilisation is ending.
No sustainability in the economy is VERY different to the end of civilisation.
You dont focus too well do you?
Considering youre mixing what i say up in Talking Stuff in here.

Those symptoms could mean a number of things.
Drugs and alcohol or a fried brain from spending too much time in front of the computer as the radiation from the computer absorbs into the brain burning off a number of brain cells .This can send the noggin down the road to uselesness. I suggest check yourself out.. it can only help.


The wonder door to Talking Stuff is here

viewforum.php?f=6

in case youre having difficulty finding it Heaveho

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Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Clubs are made up of a number of things including people who genuinely believe that they belong to a club and there is a reason to belong to a club.
The club is a drone , its only made up of people.
they peoples collective personalities determine how the beast lives . breathes , acts etc
without people the club has no character.
Thats Directors
Staffers
Coaches and the players that go out and play.
and supporters.

The whole thing is tied together by the people further up.
If they do a good job... the club is a 60,000 kilo gorilla with teeth and claws that decapitate and nothing can stand in its way.
If they do a ho hum job .. its a chimp.

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Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

They may have been reading your recent posts and its meant to be -1 year

I'm sure they don't give a fat rat's clacker what is said on here. In fact I know they don't.

I thought you weren't signing up.
Why don't you update your email address?

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dane's trolling again

Why would they? Some of us aren't even members!

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dane's trolling again