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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:40 pm 
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The Vet, welcome home! :wink:


thanks Captain Dan! :clap:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:21 pm 
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Great get. He has various club exposure in the football opertions industry via previous jobs and has inside knowledge of the corruption within the AFL. A true Carlton man - so one would hope he will smarten things up for us quite well. :thumbsup:
Couldn't be happier. :idea:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:26 pm 
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SnickerS wrote:
This site has become painful :roll:


Heyy!!
That's what the doggie said, when Andy M asked what was up. :smile:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:26 pm 
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Football clubs are a strange lot ... we don't appoint someone for this job with a Sports Management degree but we do appoint a Veterinary Surgeon ... go figure.

You have to question whether any other Vet would get this job or any other job in the AFL if they were not a past player or had the right connections.

I would be curious to know how far we cast the net for this position.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:36 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
Football clubs are a strange lot ... we don't appoint someone for this job with a Sports Management degree but we do appoint a Veterinary Surgeon ... go figure.

You have to question whether any other Vet would get this job or any other job in the AFL if they were not a past player or had the right connections.

I would be curious to know how far we cast the net for this position.


Spare me please. Perhaps a guy with some on the job training and good old fashion street smarts, who has worked his way up through various positions in the AFL, is a better bet than a guy who has sat on his arse at University getting abit of paper to frame on his wall. I suspect a degree in Vet Science would be far harder to achieve than a degree in Sports Management. :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:53 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
Football clubs are a strange lot ... we don't appoint someone for this job with a Sports Management degree but we do appoint a Veterinary Surgeon ... go figure.

You have to question whether any other Vet would get this job or any other job in the AFL if they were not a past player or had the right connections.

I would be curious to know how far we cast the net for this position.

Yeah, because Dick Pratt was just a cardboard box salesman and didn't know how to run an organisation!

Fair dinkum, good people with good skills can transition from one job to the next irrespective of the product.

It's about people management and understanding your product.

If you add a bit of passion, ie ex player, then I am thinking it's a pretty good mix.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:11 pm 
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So which institution did Neil Balme get his Sports Management diploma?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:15 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
So which institution did Neil Balme get his Sports Management diploma?

University of King Hits.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:24 pm 
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I wouldn't be surprised if Andy's name was put forward by the AFL chairman :smoking:

Andy was on 3AW but the interview was abruptly ended to cross to the news. Thought kingie asked a couple of good, tough questions re the stamp on the footy club that McKay wants to leave. Couple of things Andy said:

Won't sit above Ratts per se, rather sees himself at an equal level.
Main focus will be to makes sure the footy dept runs smoothly and improvement is achieved, even if that may be marginal to begin with.
hopes there's no resentment from other clubs given his role liaising with footy depts. was not privy to secrets as such, but given the scrutiny there's not much that isn't known.

Healy then asked a series of questions relating to Andy's AFL roles before abruptly cutting to the news.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:28 pm 
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ex captain / ex clubman / ex one of the most dependable backman we ever had / worked with the AFL for years ( information & contacts )

I hope he does well....

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:13 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:24 pm 
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If we front up for the first game of the NAB cup astonishingly bulked up ala West Coast in the early 1990's, then I hope there's no enquiry about where the horse steroids came from. :grin:

Seriously, very happy to have Andy back. His smarts, his CV, and his established connections with powers-that-be at Carlton should allow for a smooth transition and effective working relationships right from the get go. He's been away from Carlton for long enough and seen plenty of how other clubs operate to bring a fresh perspective. The cronyism concern is valid, but I assume that Swanny in particular would have ensured that the selection process was thorough and professional.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:51 pm 
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One clear advantage is an intimate knowledge of the corrupt match review panel findings and whether to appeal or not.

I bet we never appeal again........

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:30 pm 
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Oh the irony.
If Andy McKay had played for Collingwood the feedback would be;

* Smart
* 7 years AFL experience
* Tough
* captained his club
* managed footy and a degree
* stood up to AFL re drafting accepted a fine
* serious management experience
* Cast the net wide

BECAUSE he played for Carlton
* old boys' club
* no experience in the role
* Ratten buddy
* no transparent interview process

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:06 pm 
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Andrew McKay brings plenty of intellectual propety from other clubs via his role at the AFL and is a major get for Carlton.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:53 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
Football clubs are a strange lot ... we don't appoint someone for this job with a Sports Management degree but we do appoint a Veterinary Surgeon ... go figure.

You have to question whether any other Vet would get this job or any other job in the AFL if they were not a past player or had the right connections.

I would be curious to know how far we cast the net for this position.


He's right!!!!!
McKay is just a vet!!
Who is in charge?
Sticks has lost the plot!!!!!

THIS IS A DISASTER
WE WON'T WIN ANOTHER FLAG FOR TEN YEARS!


MARK IT DOWN - I TOLD YOU SO!!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:20 am 
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Was always one of my favourites. Great player, loved how he went about his work. A man who commands respect.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:50 am 
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I know it is not part of his job description but he would be a great mentor for duigan, laids and JR.

Great appointment.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:55 am 
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Andy McKay is a smart guy and has had involvement with footy over a long period. He doesn't specifically have experience at club level and the jobs he did at the AFL were not this but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have the aptitude and capability. I think the reservations any supporters have is that in the past our professionalism at making appointments hasn't been at the level of most clubs.

I think we made a mistake when Ratts was appointed of appointing a coach with insufficient experience and then surrounding him with assistants with less experience. Ratts has developed to a point where he is now senior coach quality, but by his own admission his man management skills were deficient when he took the job and have only come up to scratch recently through player feedback via leading teams. The club is in a much better place and McKay has been outside looking in which is good. In terms of his role I always thought the position was partly a conduit between the footy dept and the committee and in fact served partly as the committee's eyes and ears, and hopefully that is what it will be. Whatever the story is behind Ike's departure when a key relationship goes sour someone has to go and when Ratts signed a new contract Icke was gone and that is probably as it should be. The other issue is that this is a full time job and Macca is a part time vet, which is a profession that I would imagine he would be loath to give up. Maybe he will appoint a fulltime assistant? Anyone know if anything has been said about his vet career? Anyway he and Michael Sexton would be the two guys from 95 who would have a lot to offer at the club in footy admin roles, altho they are both smart guys and Secco will have the same issue of post footy career limiting the time he can give. Ratts is politicially astute, has got the people he wants and who he can work with and is now confident enough to employ assistants with more experience that him rather than less, and confident enough to give them responsibility in areas he sees them being stronger in than himself and that is a good skill to have. he has got beyond trying to micro manage.

At the end of the day the coach is the key man and it all falls on his shoulders so he has to have people around him he can work with. He has that now so it is all up to him. He has made great strides in the last year, seems less paranoid and certainly more confident and less driven by stats and excuses and more attuned to the human factor in clubs. Hopefully Andy McKay will complement this. Ratts, after a shaky start, is likely to come into his own over the next two years, lets hope so anyway. We have a shot over the next few years, we absolutely have to get everything right and make the most of it.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:09 am 
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Andrew McKay brings plenty of intellectual propety from other clubs via his role at the AFL and is a major get for Carlton.


Yeahhhhh! What he said!

Hotty has his finger on the pulse. He took Gaddafi's pulse once and got nothin' :sly: :sly:

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