Fev: Carlton + Me = Grand Final

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8217

missnaut wrote:

I'd like to know how having Fev in the side would have made up for Jamo and Kreuzer missing half a season each.

Probably alot.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

He is right ....

Ducks for cover ... :razz:

Hornet · **Joined:** Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 7417

jimmae wrote:

FWIW, I agree with him on the surface. The fact that we didn't have always have a consistent key forward that would bag goals in our forward 50 cost us key games through the season.

I say that without reading the article, but given that he said either he or Kennedy would have made the difference seems to suggest that's the point he's making. If people want to take it out of context then go nuts.

Problem is there is confusing context in that article... can't blame people if they misinterpret his comments.

Some may question why he left out Waite and Kruezer from his hypothetical...

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

Belisarius · **Joined:** Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am **Posts:** 548

jimmae wrote:

FWIW, I agree with him on the surface. The fact that we didn't have always have a consistent key forward that would bag goals in our forward 50 cost us key games through the season.

I say that without reading the article, but given that he said either he or Kennedy would have made the difference seems to suggest that's the point he's making. If people want to take it out of context then go nuts.

Fev was a bit more specific than that though Jimmae, although the article may have been edited. Rather than saying a power forward would have been handy, he named, including himself, players we had moved on for very very different reasons...why? A fit Waite would probably have seen us across the line as well. JK would certainly have helped us as he works hard both ways, thats not how Fev is wired though. Fev was too used to being top dog and the forwardline being all about him, rather than help it's functioning as a whole. Do you really think that with Fev in the side that we would be as good at holding the ball in the forward fifty. Our scoring has held it's own, but it is our defensive actions that have really improved. I'm not sure Fev fits into that.

Captain Dan · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:17 pm

Win by a goal with one player kicking 8, or win by 10 goals with several players kicking goals....

Or...get done nearly every week when teams work out the main plan up forward.

jimmae · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:17 pm

Belisarius wrote:

Do you really think that with Fev in the side that we would be as good at holding the ball in the forward fifty. Our scoring has held it's own, but it is our defensive actions that have really improved. I'm not sure Fev fits into that.

No I don't think Fev would have done anything other than maybe helped us in a couple of games. Kennedy would have been fantastic though.

Captain Dan · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:20 pm

jimmae wrote:

Kennedy would have been fantastic though.

Agree, can't have it both ways though. I'd rather Judd than Kennedy every day of the week.

It's easy to look back these days and say we should have given up Fevola, but there were a few things barring that at the time - he wouldn't have agreed to a trade to WCE, and he was still a required player at the end of 2007 going into 2008.

Belisarius · **Joined:** Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am **Posts:** 548

jimmae wrote:

Belisarius wrote:

Do you really think that with Fev in the side that we would be as good at holding the ball in the forward fifty. Our scoring has held it's own, but it is our defensive actions that have really improved. I'm not sure Fev fits into that.

No I don't think Fev would have done anything other than maybe helped us in a couple of games. Kennedy would have been fantastic though.

Yep agreed, always rated JK and really regret the club not being able to get Juddy to us without losing the big bloke. With that said I'm also not sure playing second fiddle to Fev for another couple of years would have helped JK's development...We'll never know.

isdonis.george · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:29 pm

Fevola = big head + big hubris

"Arnold Schwarzenegger is still a hero in his own mind.

The scandal-plagued actor and former governor of California has personally commissioned at least three larger-than-life "heroic" scale bronze statues of himself that depict the "Terminator" star in his body-building prime"

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/ ... z1ZKQohA8s

Bluey44 · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:41 pm

Geez Fev is good at PR.

Blues will recruit him for sure

Kouta · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:59 pm

isdonis.george wrote:

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/ ... z1ZKQohA8s

Not bad.

missnaut · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:43 pm

jim wrote:

missnaut wrote:

I'd like to know how having Fev in the side would have made up for Jamo and Kreuzer missing half a season each.

Probably alot.

So Fev would have played full back while Jamo was out?

DIAMOTISM · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:17 pm

jimmae wrote:

FWIW, I agree with him on the surface. The fact that we didn't have always have a consistent key forward that would bag goals in our forward 50 cost us key games through the season.

I say that without reading the article, but given that he said either he or Kennedy would have made the difference seems to suggest that's the point he's making. If people want to take it out of context then go nuts.

Agree. Bombing to Betts game after game was our forward option.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8217

missnaut wrote:

jim wrote:

missnaut wrote:

I'd like to know how having Fev in the side would have made up for Jamo and Kreuzer missing half a season each.

Probably alot.

So Fev would have played full back while Jamo was out?

Never knew Kreuzer played in defence either if you want to take your statement further.

No but seeing most of our KP forwards too were missing for much of the last 6 weeks having Fev, or any decent KP forward there, there would've helped things alot. So of course it would've made up in some way for those others missing. Lose at end of the ground, make up for it at the other end of the ground.

BTW Kreuzer plays at the end of the ground Fev does when he's not rucking.

nightcrawler · **Joined:** Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:48 am **Posts:** 2891

Captain Dan wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Kennedy would have been fantastic though.

Agree, can't have it both ways though. I'd rather Judd than Kennedy every day of the week.

It's easy to look back these days and say we should have given up Fevola, but there were a few things barring that at the time - he wouldn't have agreed to a trade to WCE, and he was still a required player at the end of 2007 going into 2008.

Well ... technically, we could of had it both ways, but that's actually the wrong hypothetical.

WC had no interest in Fev, but you can't tell me they wouldn't have taken picks 1, 3 and 20 for Judd and 46 (Armfield). Then we would have had Judd and Josh Kennedy in that elimination final we just wouldn't have had Kreuzer (who as chance would have it, didn't play anyway).

I'm fairly certain we would have won that final comfortably if JK was still a Blue. But since we may well have won it comfortably if a fit Kreuzer had played there's not really much point in beating ourselves up over it ... for the meantime.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

Get Fev!

Megaman · **Posted:** Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:12 pm

BlueRob wrote:

Get Fev!

About time you shared your opinion on this BlueFev..I mean BlueRob

Adam Chatfield · **Posted:** Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:55 pm

nightcrawler wrote:

Captain Dan wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Kennedy would have been fantastic though.

Agree, can't have it both ways though. I'd rather Judd than Kennedy every day of the week.

It's easy to look back these days and say we should have given up Fevola, but there were a few things barring that at the time - he wouldn't have agreed to a trade to WCE, and he was still a required player at the end of 2007 going into 2008.

Well ... technically, we could of had it both ways, but that's actually the wrong hypothetical.

WC had no interest in Fev, but you can't tell me they wouldn't have taken picks 1, 3 and 20 for Judd and 46 (Armfield). Then we would have had Judd and Josh Kennedy in that elimination final we just wouldn't have had Kreuzer (who as chance would have it, didn't play anyway).

I'm fairly certain we would have won that final comfortably if JK was still a Blue. But since we may well have won it comfortably if a fit Kreuzer had played there's not really much point in beating ourselves up over it ... for the meantime.

Krezuer > Kennedy

Maybe not this season, but that will be the case over their respective careers. JK will be a fine forward for a long time, but Kreuze could be an all time great ruckman.

camel · **Posted:** Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:30 pm

nightcrawler wrote:

Captain Dan wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Kennedy would have been fantastic though.

Agree, can't have it both ways though. I'd rather Judd than Kennedy every day of the week.

It's easy to look back these days and say we should have given up Fevola, but there were a few things barring that at the time - he wouldn't have agreed to a trade to WCE, and he was still a required player at the end of 2007 going into 2008.

Well ... technically, we could of had it both ways, but that's actually the wrong hypothetical.

WC had no interest in Fev, but you can't tell me they wouldn't have taken picks 1, 3 and 20 for Judd and 46 (Armfield). Then we would have had Judd and Josh Kennedy in that elimination final we just wouldn't have had Kreuzer (who as chance would have it, didn't play anyway).

I'm fairly certain we would have won that final comfortably if JK was still a Blue. But since we may well have won it comfortably if a fit Kreuzer had played there's not really much point in beating ourselves up over it ... for the meantime.

Plus Jarrad Waite and/or Shaun Hampson.

Fev: Carlton + Me = Grand Final

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