We have to play Brocky - he is far better than ellard - or at least get Curnow back in

Carrotts = rabbit in head lights

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It's been that way since Fev left.
One of the worst parts of our game

That's unless you don't believe in this reapeated false premise.

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So is it our game plan against top teams to play conservative for a half to be close enough to come home with a rush? Happens against Collingwood and now Hawthorn.

We need to be taking the game on instead of trying to minimize mistakes.

They scored 26pts after 18min mark of second quarter. We scored 56. Thats a positive.
Shame we stuffed up the first 45 mins of the game.

I hope we learn from tonight and move on quickly. There are some finals to play in a couple of weeks.

That goes for selection and recruiting too.

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The second half is irrelevant. The first half is where the game is won and lost these days. Look at our games against the Pies. You need to be ahead, or shoulder to shoulder, at half time. Otherwise the good teams will just put their hand out and hold you at bay.

Fast forwards and a good midfield are an advantage when the game breaks down in the second half. But it's useless if you're 6 goals down.

Flower me, even Port kicked 3 second half goals last week.

I'm so angry it makes me want to make a sign.

I think that knock to the head last week had more of an effect on him than we were lead to believe he was ordinary tonight and we lack that go to man until Jamo moved up there

Dare I say it and you will never here me say this again - We should have played Ohalpin this week and given Tbird 3 weeks to get over the knock

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I thought Duigan had his worst half of footy for the year in the first half. Gave away two easy goals and kicked it oof once and the rest of his disposals were ordinary. Had a better second half.
When Judd isn't in the game he should go where his tag won't hurt us. For a top clearance team, we were thrashed at the clearances in the first half especially. Judd in the forward 50 gives us another mid-sized option there. Judd in the back line gives us a highly skilled possession winner to clear the footy. There can be no doubt that without Judd and Murphy getting their hands on the footy we are a different side and it is obvious. Not many teams have the ability to shut them both down but it happened tonight. The next level just has to step up, like it or not.
If Waite isn't going to be ready we have to play Setanta. Eddie Betts is a great goalsneak and is pretty good over head but he isn't a marking forward. Setanta will always get to the fall of the footy, will often mark it and will mostly cause a spill. Typicallly we have a lot of marks against us inside our F50. There must be a stat on it.
Don't give up, Verbs. Once we get away from Etihad in the second half of the finals we will do better. I still think we can win it but we have to have at least one of Waite Hampson or Setanta in to do it.
And we have to kick straight. Teams who kick 1-12, 3-14 and so on as we regularly do don't win clutch games.
I have two weeks to find an internet provider who can get me a constant stream. Not easy in a third word country in a town far from the beaten track. It's all very well having a 6 br house with the pool overlooking the beach but it does have its drawbacks, like yesterday spending 5 hours trying to find a 3/16 drill bit for wood/metal longer than 10 cm. Didn't. Bunnings where are you?

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Yeah so I totally lied about not caring about this game.

@#$%&! it @#$%&! it @#$%&! it. Don't give a hoot about the second half, after kicking 1.8 in the first half it was game over.

Smacked in the clearances. No marking fwd - Setanta would have been a good option to get the ball down. Warnock still useless in anything except hit outs which don't even go to advantage half the time.

Goal kicking typically woeful as it has been at Etihad at night - fingers crossed our final is during the day with the roof open.

Ellard, Thornton, Warnock, Duigan, Garlett - yuck.

Wasted oppotunity.

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L.M 35-06

Watching the second half, the Hawks didn't take the foot off, we put it down.

Problem is the conservative starts. We can run all over every team, bar maybe Collingwood.

I think Ratts was also too slow moving T-Bird into defense.

Hendo had a great game after a fast start by Franklin.

Forgot Duigan.

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I see what you've done there.

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Couldn't handle the pressure early.. Maybe we will learn from it..,'make them watch the first half so they can feel as disgusted as us supporters... When it's done.. Play it again

Garlett was playing ok, just not enough length on his kicks. His attempts at dinky kicks are just the way he plays, Collingwood are masters of the dinky kicks that come of.

PS: when will the AFL wake up to the tripping tactics of Hawthorn when an opposition player is about to break free.

my glass is half full. our second half showed a lot of character and spirit against a team that has beaten us up alot over recent years. we're not quite there yet, but on the way, no question. special mention to Lachie for his game on Buddy.

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There's something about playing at the Dome indoors that just flowers us right up.

In the Brisbane, Sydney and West Coast games the roof was open and we kicked a lot better, even though we lost the WC game.

Against Adelaide, St Kilda, Geelong, WBD, Norf and now Hawthorn we have all kicked poorly (even tho we beat Adelade, St Kilda and Norf)

Stood out like dogs %^&* we need a permanent big body player up forward, not Kruezer. Jamieson the unlikely forward option finally gave us the option to kick long when no other options were available.
Kruezer can ruck and spend some time forward but we MUST have a tall option all the time. Thornton up forward is not the option, he doesn’t crash packs, compete on the ground nor does he take a pack mark. Setanta is the better option.
Play the Hawks on the MCG and we have a good chance of knocking them off. Their assets include big body players around stoppages in Lewis, Mitchell, Sewell and Hodge – their lack of oace will be evident after half time. They will rely on Cyril and Smith to provide the run. We can do it.

Russell or Bower better options than Davies.

Warnock will struggle to take a pack mark until he builds up his core strength. He doesn’t plant his feet in the ground and brace himself for contact. He is too easily pushed away from a marking contest. Needs stronger legs and a bigger arse!
This mob has smashed us previously and some will say they did again in the first half but I think we will come away from this game with confidence should we play them again this year hopefully at the G.

Had awesome seats in the medallion club for that.

Easily the worst half of football I've seen from us since the bad old days of Pagan. They hit us hard early and we just went to water. Pressure was certainly there, but perceived pressure then did us in. Haven't seen us smashed in the clearances like that for ages.

Absolutely woeful movement into the F50 in the first half... Panicky bombs galore. Our forwards didnt have a hope.

No time, no space, and no answers until hawthorns pressure dropped off a bit and we found an opening. Never looked like winning, left it way too late.

Jamo did good, given no football for two months. Was proud of his efforts... Hendo's too: buddy was on tonight, and a real handful. Juddy looked buggered, think the bye will do him a world of good.

Most hawks supporters around me seemed to leave the game thinking that Collingwood and geelong don't have too much to worry about this year, and I agree.

All in all, a pretty shit game of footy.