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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:29 pm 
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Comment on Armfield isn't fair. He was on emergency duities last week and couldn't show his wares. So nothing to compare there.
In the last game Armfield played in the Ants (the previous round) he was one of our best, hence the 1st emegency.

Sure Brock was banging on last week for a spot. Goes to show it's not Curnow whose taken over Brock's position...it's most likely pace.
Armfield is a good inclusion. Dry track. Plenty of pace. I'm happy to see him playing. Surprised? Yes. Disappointed? No way.

Too simplistic suggesting Brock and Curnow are like for like. There's a difference imo between a fast in side mid and a slow inside mid. Curnow being the former makes the Carlton side, Brock the latter doesn't. They are different in a big way. I'm just going on what the MC have selected.

We are going to run rings around the Eagles....even if Brock played imo. There's obviously more to the story....ROK's time to show his wares.



More than happy for you to disagree with my opinions BB but you might want to make sure you've got your facts right before taking potshots at the "simplistic" views of others. :wink:

Firstly, Armfield played Bullants last week and was OK but didn't have anywhere near the impact of McLean IMO. As for you assertion on McLean, I'm not saying he and Curnow are the same. What I'm saying is Curnow offers an inside body that can block for Judd and also get his share of clearances. I'd suggest Juddy is benefitting from having someone help him with the grunt work. Armfield doesnt have the smarts to go close to that role. I'm not knocking Armfield, just unsure of the value he'll offer in this game V Mclean. Brock is playing excellent footy ATM and I'd like to see him rewarded for it.

Just my simplistic opinion though, hey. :grin:


Brock must be in a world of pain tonight ... but he'll get his get his chance.


Brock will come in for Ellard

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:31 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:45 pm 
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Bombers playing a tall forward line. Hawks walking it out. Bombers press is useless and has been since Hirds 3 ruck experiment.

Lets hope that trend continues for the weekend.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:16 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
People are forgetting that the class of Houla is back for his 2nd game, and he looked all class whenever he touched the ball last week.

Whilst I prefer Hampson, I still reckon that Warnock will be too awkward for the the Cox with Nits to handle a 206 Warnock.

I reckon we'll win by at least 10 goals. We do look the faster team by a long shot...well on paper we do.
Warnock better kick 2 goals or Setanta will take his spot....pressure is still on everone's spot.


First of all I did forget that Houla is back for his 2nd full game run, and that excites me because we know what he can produce. Does anyone think that Houla has gone heavy on the weights and not as slim as he used to be?

I would prefer Warnock over Hammer, even though Hampson has shown something over the past couple of weeks. When Jacobs was at the club, I thought Hammer was the quickest of the 4 ruckmen we had. I don't think they will pick Setanta over Warnock for the primary ruck position ever, Setanta is a pinch hit ruckman not a genuine ruckman in the sense.

Win by at least 10 goals? That is a big margin considering West Coast are a much improved side and have been in stellar form of late. I am predicting a 3 goal win Sunday.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:37 pm 
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Win by at least 10 goals? That is a big margin considering West Coast are a much improved side and have been in stellar form of late. I am predicting a 3 goal win Sunday.


If we cant put sides like West Coast away on the fast surface of Etihad with our supiour midfield then we are not a legimate finals contender.

Look at these matchup:

Judd > Selwood (win)
Murphy > Rosa (win)
Simpson > Swift (win)
Scotland > Shuey (win)
Carrazzo > Kerr (loss)
Kreuzer > Naitanui (win)
Warnock > Cox (loss my cousin will destroy Warnock)
Robinson > Priddas (win)
Elard, Armfield, Russell, O'Keefe,Gibbs, Houlihan, Touhy etc can all run through the midfield..


We have way to much depth for WC and will win comfortably.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:43 pm 
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Hotcox wrote:
gsker1 wrote:
Win by at least 10 goals? That is a big margin considering West Coast are a much improved side and have been in stellar form of late. I am predicting a 3 goal win Sunday.


If we cant put sides like West Coast away on the fast surface of Etihad with our supiour midfield then we are not a legimate finals contender.

Look at these matchup:

Judd > Selwood (win)
Murphy > Rosa (win)
Simpson > Swift (win)
Scotland > Shuey (win)
Carrazzo > Kerr (loss)
Kreuzer > Naitanui (win)
Warnock > Cox (loss my cousin will destroy Warnock)
Robinson > Priddas (win)
Elard, Armfield, Russell, O'Keefe,Gibbs, Houlihan, Touhy etc can all run through the midfield..


We have way to much depth for WC and will win comfortably.

:lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:00 pm 
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I have been told that murphy and curnow are out, ellard is doubtful...is this true ?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:06 pm 
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I have been told that murphy and curnow are out, ellard is doubtful...is this true ?


We may as well just give up now! :lol: (Curnow is not playing)


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:09 pm 
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The team does seem to be light on for one more tall. I wonder whether the MC is looking to see how well we can cover a tall forward line with just the two talls down back to see whether that option could be utilised in September, either out of choice or necessity, instead of a lesser quality 3rd tall having to be played against Collingwood or another 3-talls-forward structure.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:33 pm 
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gange wrote:
I have been told that murphy and curnow are out, ellard is doubtful...is this true ?

Havent heard anything about Murphy not playing. Curnow is out, wouldnt be surprised if Ellard doesnt play after his concussion. Rumour is that Robbo may be out with a foot injury.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:39 pm 
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kezza wrote:
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I have been told that murphy and curnow are out, ellard is doubtful...is this true ?

Havent heard anything about Murphy not playing. Curnow is out, wouldnt be surprised if Ellard doesnt play after his concussion. Rumour is that Robbo may be out with a foot injury.


Murph has a haircut today, he's playing :grin:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:44 pm 
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Getting a good spread of players from all over in the side too.....

Just about more bloody South Aussies in the team then what's in the Crows team this weekend :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:11 am 
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gange wrote:
I have been told that murphy and curnow are out, ellard is doubtful...is this true ?


The Hawks lost their Murphy tonight and we lost Curnow on Sunday.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:21 am 
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I have nothing to say about McClean.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:39 am 
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I have nothing to say about McClean.


Yeah don't blame ya...he's shit.

McLean on the other hand may prove to be a valuable player in the latter half of the year.....

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:22 am 
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sjabc wrote:
mikeychook wrote:
I have nothing to say about McClean.


Yeah don't blame ya...he's shit.

McLean on the other hand may prove to be a valuable player in the latter half of the year.....


:lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:48 am 
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gsker1 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
People are forgetting that the class of Houla is back for his 2nd game, and he looked all class whenever he touched the ball last week.

Whilst I prefer Hampson, I still reckon that Warnock will be too awkward for the the Cox with Nits to handle a 206 Warnock.

I reckon we'll win by at least 10 goals. We do look the faster team by a long shot...well on paper we do.
Warnock better kick 2 goals or Setanta will take his spot....pressure is still on everone's spot.


First of all I did forget that Houla is back for his 2nd full game run, and that excites me because we know what he can produce. Does anyone think that Houla has gone heavy on the weights and not as slim as he used to be?

He looks the size he became in 2007-8 when he became an important backman for Pagan.
He was robbed from the forwardline because we lacked skilled players to deliver the ball from HB.
He didn't look slow last week, but then again he didn't really have opportunities to show speed (or lack of it), but he was sharp and quick with the hands and precise with the foot. Class.


I would prefer Warnock over Hammer, even though Hampson has shown something over the past couple of weeks. When Jacobs was at the club, I thought Hammer was the quickest of the 4 ruckmen we had. I don't think they will pick Setanta over Warnock for the primary ruck position ever, Setanta is a pinch hit ruckman not a genuine ruckman in the sense.

I reckon you are right! But Warnock really needs to lift...a lot. I thought his game against the Cats was serviceable but easily replaceble, and his efforts in the Ants (on TV) looked weak and wimpy. He needs to step up. I hope this opportunity against Cox Nits excites him and he finds some energy and strength from that skinny body. His height will always be a weapon, but he needs to get around the ground more and take a few marks. That's what Setanta brings that Warnock doesn't.
Win by at least 10 goals? That is a big margin considering West Coast are a much improved side and have been in stellar form of late. I am predicting a 3 goal win Sunday.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:59 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Comment on Armfield isn't fair. He was on emergency duities last week and couldn't show his wares. So nothing to compare there.
In the last game Armfield played in the Ants (the previous round) he was one of our best, hence the 1st emegency.

Sure Brock was banging on last week for a spot. Goes to show it's not Curnow whose taken over Brock's position...it's most likely pace.
Armfield is a good inclusion. Dry track. Plenty of pace. I'm happy to see him playing. Surprised? Yes. Disappointed? No way.

Too simplistic suggesting Brock and Curnow are like for like. There's a difference imo between a fast in side mid and a slow inside mid. Curnow being the former makes the Carlton side, Brock the latter doesn't. They are different in a big way. I'm just going on what the MC have selected.

We are going to run rings around the Eagles....even if Brock played imo. There's obviously more to the story....ROK's time to show his wares.



More than happy for you to disagree with my opinions BB but you might want to make sure you've got your facts right before taking potshots at the "simplistic" views of others. :wink:

Firstly, Armfield played Bullants last week and was OK but didn't have anywhere near the impact of McLean IMO. As for you assertion on McLean, I'm not saying he and Curnow are the same. What I'm saying is Curnow offers an inside body that can block for Judd and also get his share of clearances. I'd suggest Juddy is benefitting from having someone help him with the grunt work. Armfield doesnt have the smarts to go close to that role. I'm not knocking Armfield, just unsure of the value he'll offer in this game V Mclean. Brock is playing excellent footy ATM and I'd like to see him rewarded for it.

Just my simplistic opinion though, hey. :grin:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:46 am 
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I get the impression that we are now being very cautious with our soft tissue injuries and are now looking to 'manage' our players through the middle of the year to freshen them up for the finals. This also gives our fringe players more of a run and a chance to prove their worth should they be needed. This is the positive about having some depth.

My understanding is Waite, Laidler, Curnow, Duigan could of all played if it was a final but we are being extra cautious and that is great. Don't be surprised to see some of our big names have a rest over the next few weeks. Guys Like O'Keefe, Austin, Armfield, McLean, AJ, Lucas, White, Watson etc may well all be given a taste over the rest of the season. It is 25-30 players that win a premiership not just your best 22. This is more apparent with the 3 man bench. Player management is vital!

It is also becoming obvious that we are finally playing a more mobile side which is the best way to beat any floods or presses. In defence you need only two key talls. With numbers dropping back the priority is the run out of defence to beat the flood. We are better off playing someone like Gibbs on Lynch for example because he pushes up the ground for his marks and Gibbs will beat him on the ground and create run and attack. This why a top class player such as a N.Reiwoldt is struggling atm. It is also why Yarran, Duigan & Touhy are becoming so important. With Kruezer fit he can now drop back and assist if needed. Up forward both the attacking and defensive abilities (along with pure pace) of Betts, Garlett, Walker make us a tough match up. This is also the reason I believe Waite will be damaging off a wing. He can run and carry but drop back or forward on any talls and is almost impossible too match up on going the other way.

All good! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:53 am 
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Playing 3 games in a row at Etihad is starting to take a toll. Will be good to on the MCG again.


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