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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:26 pm 
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I can't see Henderson rotating through the ruck in the AFL.

What's wrong with he and Waite as permanent forwards with Kreuzer resting down there occasionally?


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:31 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
What's wrong with he and Waite as permanent forwards with Kreuzer resting down there occasionally?


:sly:

Nothing?


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 3:46 pm 
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It seems Kouta's rock may be on the money regarding Judd playing this week....

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:21 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
What's wrong with he and Waite as permanent forwards with Kreuzer resting down there occasionally?


:sly:

Nothing?


The only thing i see wrong with it is that is change for change sake. We are creating loads of scoring chances at the moment. We just need to be a bit cleaner and tweak our entries a little.
Walker and Waite being the targets and the rest keeping it inside 50 and keeping attacking defenders in check. 2nd ruck (Carlos but soon to be Kruez) also creating a target for parts of the game.

Will bringing in another tall upset the mix? Will it squeeze Walker out of play?

Bringing in Henda for Carlos is an option but he will have to play ruck for a few mins each quarter. I reckon he can match Carlos' ruck impact so worth a shot IMO.


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:04 pm 
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Who is rucking for Melbourne this week? Jamar, Spencer and Gawn all injured - Stefan Martin - a tall defender. Hammer will cream him.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:43 pm 
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Been building and very good last week. As Ratten said on radio this week he finally has his lateral movement back which was restricting his performance.

Setanta has done the odd good thing but overall has been average. For us to get better we simply cant carry these players. I can seriously envisage Kruezer and Henderson rotating out of FF and in the ruck come later in the year.


..IF you mean that they'll form a ruck combo of 1st ruck/FF and rotate between these positions, then i reckon yer envision' needs glasses.. ..krooz won't be doin' much rucking outside the F50, and Hendo even as relief ruck is a worry.. ..and not sure why unless Knockers and Hampson aren't available..

..edit -- not snippy [even if it reads that way]..

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 6:03 pm 
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darknavy wrote:
Who is rucking for Melbourne this week? Jamar, Spencer and Gawn all injured - Stefan Martin - a tall defender. Hammer will cream him.


Martin was jumping pretty well last week.....looks a good player either way.


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 6:17 pm 
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Pickle wrote:
darknavy wrote:
Who is rucking for Melbourne this week? Jamar, Spencer and Gawn all injured - Stefan Martin - a tall defender. Hammer will cream him.


Martin was jumping pretty well last week.....looks a good player either way.


..looked avg and vs Kosi.. ..will be strugglin' against any actual afl ruckman.. ..and moloney's earlier clearance brilliance was off the back of Jamar's ruckwork.. ..off the pace dramatically without Jamar.. ..dee's are seriously under-manned and should be accounted for easily by a genuine top4 team..

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:00 pm 
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I'd stay with Setanta as 2nd ruck part time forward until Kruez returns. Same as the Geelong model (Hawkins) and Collywobble (Brown)

Hendo in for army gives us two talls and Walks as 3rd forward. Setanta floats forward or ruck or spare defender if needed.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:57 am 
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I'm not sure a wet night is the best time to bring in Hendo.

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:13 am 
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I'd stay with Setanta as 2nd ruck part time forward until Kruez returns. Same as the Geelong model (Hawkins) and Collywobble (Brown)

Hendo in for army gives us two talls and Walks as 3rd forward. Setanta floats forward or ruck or spare defender if needed.


But that robs us of a running player. I reckon that extra running player is what is allowing us to win well in the midfield this year. We are creating enough goal scoring chances so do we change it up for change sake or do we continue to field a good hard running side.

Walkers ability to play as a tall, a crumber and provide a chop out as an onballer is a weapon for us. We get the best of all worlds. He is infact playing the Dawes role but with our own slant on the idea.

I would only bring in Henda as a step up on Carlos or as CHB in place of Thornton. T Bird is going ok though.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:42 am 
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Looks like Davey might not get up for the Dees.

After the hammering he has been getting for squibbing against the Sinners, that might not be a bad thing.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 12:39 pm 
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club29 wrote:
T Bird is going ok though.


My question to this is, is 'okay' good enough? Guys like Thornton, Warnock, Betts, McLean, Setanta, Armfield etc have been 'okay'.

IMO for us to be a Premiership Side, 'okay' simply isnt good enough!

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 1:07 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
My question to this is, is 'okay' good enough? Guys like Thornton, Warnock, Betts, McLean, Setanta, Armfield etc have been 'okay'.

IMO for us to be a Premiership Side, 'okay' simply isnt good enough!


I agree. We need the best for each position. I am not sure swapping Thornton out for Henda at this point is the go. Just a hunch and i still like the idea of Henda as a forward.
Thornton can go out when Bower is up and running. I am not a thornton fan but he went ok last week. With the game changes of late he may still be capable of playing a role.
Armfield out when Touhy is deemed ready.
Warnock and Hampson can fight it out. Our clearances are top notch and that i believe has a lot to do with the giants in the ruck.
Betts is doing fine as the stats show and Walker being able to play midfield sorts out the fact that Betts cant (apart from the odd centre clearance in emergency).
Mclean out for Curnow.
Carlos out for Henda or Kruez.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 2:19 pm 
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Wow... no Davey either ?
Seriously guys, If we cant easily account for a half strength Melbourne, then we dont deserve to be thought of as an emerging contender...
The only way we could lose this game is if we approach this game as a walk in the part and not take the Dees seriously.

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 2:55 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Wow... no Davey either ?
The only way we could lose this game is if we approach this game as a walk in the part and not take the Dees seriously.


That, or go into 3/4 time with a scoreline of 4.25

Which isn't beyond the realms of possibility this season.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 3:05 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
club29 wrote:
T Bird is going ok though.


My question to this is, is 'okay' good enough? Guys like Thornton, Warnock, Betts, McLean, Setanta, Armfield etc have been 'okay'.

IMO for us to be a Premiership Side, 'okay' simply isnt good enough!

Why has Ellard escaped the spotlight of being just okay?

If we want to progress, we need to pick our best side and go with just the one tagger in Carrazzo. We don't want to fall into the trap of playing too many "good ordinary" players like Saints did with McQualter and Jones. They're roughly St Kilda's versions of Ellard and Carrazzo. The Pies exposed St Kilda's bottom six in the second Grand Final. You can't go too defensive and pick too many average players who can't kick and/or get the ball. Ellard doesn't get enough of the ball to hurt sides. Good kick for goal, but he was drafted as a small forward.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 4:35 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
club29 wrote:
T Bird is going ok though.


My question to this is, is 'okay' good enough? Guys like Thornton, Warnock, Betts, McLean, Setanta, Armfield etc have been 'okay'.

IMO for us to be a Premiership Side, 'okay' simply isnt good enough!

Why has Ellard escaped the spotlight of being just okay?

If we want to progress, we need to pick our best side and go with just the one tagger in Carrazzo. We don't want to fall into the trap of playing too many "good ordinary" players like Saints did with McQualter and Jones. They're roughly St Kilda's versions of Ellard and Carrazzo. The Pies exposed St Kilda's bottom six in the second Grand Final. You can't go too defensive and pick too many average players who can't kick and/or get the ball. Ellard doesn't get enough of the ball to hurt sides. Good kick for goal, but he was drafted as a small forward.


I guess it depends on upside.

Okay players will get a run while they are still playing okay, provided there is not someone playing better in the twos.

Good players who are not reaching their full potential like eddie will still more than likley keep their spot until someone better comes along.

you're never going to have 22 elite players all on top form in the same team at the same time.

I think Wanock has been doing better than just okay.

Eddie has had is moments and is slowly improving in recent weeks.

Army is a bit off at the moment but I see huge potential in him and i'm more than happy to stay in the side until someone beats down the door.

mclean has been a massive dissapointment so far - still holding on to hope though.

I agree throton has been okay and doing a job.

ellard is all heart and I love having in in the team - will he be part of our next flag side? he wont die wondering, and if he can keep his spot then good luck to him.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:55 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
club29 wrote:
T Bird is going ok though.


My question to this is, is 'okay' good enough? Guys like Thornton, Warnock, Betts, McLean, Setanta, Armfield etc have been 'okay'.

IMO for us to be a Premiership Side, 'okay' simply isnt good enough!

Why has Ellard escaped the spotlight of being just okay?

If we want to progress, we need to pick our best side and go with just the one tagger in Carrazzo. We don't want to fall into the trap of playing too many "good ordinary" players like Saints did with McQualter and Jones. They're roughly St Kilda's versions of Ellard and Carrazzo. The Pies exposed St Kilda's bottom six in the second Grand Final. You can't go too defensive and pick too many average players who can't kick and/or get the ball. Ellard doesn't get enough of the ball to hurt sides. Good kick for goal, but he was drafted as a small forward.


Averaging 19+ possessions, 7+ tackles and 8+ contested possessions per game from his 4 games this year. He's doing great for someone who's only played 12 games. He'd be a mile in front of most other 12 gamers in the league.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:15 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
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Why has Ellard escaped the spotlight of being just okay?

If we want to progress, we need to pick our best side and go with just the one tagger in Carrazzo. We don't want to fall into the trap of playing too many "good ordinary" players like Saints did with McQualter and Jones. They're roughly St Kilda's versions of Ellard and Carrazzo. The Pies exposed St Kilda's bottom six in the second Grand Final. You can't go too defensive and pick too many average players who can't kick and/or get the ball. Ellard doesn't get enough of the ball to hurt sides. Good kick for goal, but he was drafted as a small forward.


Averaging 19+ possessions, 7+ tackles and 8+ contested possessions per game from his 4 games this year. He's doing great for someone who's only played 12 games. He'd be a mile in front of most other 12 gamers in the league.

:lol:

Lets see if we can trade Ellard for Brandon Matera...

Ellard has been here since 2007.


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