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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:47 pm 
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We can blame the board all we like but the fact is we voted them in.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:01 pm 
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Has Daniel Grollo been approached ? If not, why not ?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:57 pm 
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Has Daniel Grollo been approached ? If not, why not ?


He'd probably get grilled by the know it alls here in the Q & A and leave them 'unimpressed'.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:13 pm 
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murraycray wrote:
Has Daniel Grollo been approached ? If not, why not ?


He was approached several years ago when we had Smorgon at the helm. Showed some interest but at the time he was busy overseas building sky scrapers. Loves the club and his brother or father at the time did mention that he would like to assist one day.

I remember sitting in the old Social Club talking to some of the new board memebrs a few years back when they were first voted in and they were rolling of names of high profile people that were going to return to the club and help out. Some may have but the unfortunate loss of Pratt has no doubt had an impact.

On the field we have assembled a good coaching team and some really exciting talent but after almost 10 years of being in the doldrums our off the field (financially - Branding) needs a BIG kick along.

The best VFL club is now a middle of the road club off the field. Teams that were average in the VFL are now better structured and seem to have more $$$ than we do. Yes we do have great facilities but so does evryone else. Remember when we were the envy of the other clubs we had $$$ and the best facilities.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:30 pm 
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The best VFL club is now a middle of the road club off the field. Teams that were average in the VFL are now better structured and seem to have more $$$ than we do. Yes we do have great facilities but so does evryone else.

That is horribly inaccurate.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:29 am 
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1. Nothing new here, we've made no secret of the fact we were putting money into facilities first and then looking after debt.

2. Yes we do need a shake up at board level. Its difficult for fans to know who's really contributing though.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:38 am 
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It amazes me, despite the debt being alarming or under control. No one from the club has bothered to post something to its members on the web site.

Doesnt Tony De Bolfo get employed to scout these types of forums to report back to the club ?

This is another example of their arrogance.

As much as we hate them, Maguire and Kennett always have something to say, and back the club to the hilt when ever their is anything to dispute.

Kernahan, WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU ????????


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:06 am 
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Drewgirl I understand your frustration, but there is nothing new in this report. Nothing at all. The debt levels have been published for many years. No one at the Club would deny it's high and we need to do something about it; the question is whether its a priority now or whether other thiings need to take precedence. I'm in the latter camp but would like to see a plan or some attention to this.

I've been reading our annual reports ever since the end of the Elliot reign. It's a big number, but increasingly manageable, particularly if they are successful in delivering new / increased revenue streams:

- Premier Finance
- pokies
- Attendance / merchandise


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:06 am 
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molsey wrote:
Drewgirl I understand your frustration, but there is nothing new in this report. Nothing at all. The debt levels have been published for many years. No one at the Club would deny it's high and we need to do something about it; the question is whether its a priority now or whether other thiings need to take precedence. I'm in the latter camp but would like to see a plan or some attention to this.

I've been reading our annual reports ever since the end of the Elliot reign. It's a big number, but increasingly manageable, particularly if they are successful in delivering new / increased revenue streams:

- Premier Finance
- pokies
- Attendance / merchandise


You should be on the board Molsey.

Communicating simple messages to appease the members/ supporters is something you do succinctly and very well.

I think Drewgirl is just asking for someone on the board to respond to the most recent negative publication in the Age. Simple.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:19 am 
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Drewgirl,

do you REALLY want Sticks Kernahan to engage in public debate re the finances of the Carlton Football Club? I don't think it's something he'd do particularly well to be honest.

(Molsey, I just saw your previous post. I'm surprised you don't think a football club Chairman/President has a significant role to play in shaking the corporate tree for revenue streams. I'd say being able to attract that kind of support is around half his job).


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:44 am 
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You all make good points.

But they are after all trying to sell memberships so they have to do something to sell the club better.

I will always buy a membership no matter what, but there are so many fickle supporters out there.

Many people are alarmists and dont bother reading reports, so they think all this is unusual and the ship is sinking.

Its up to the club to explain the situation in plain english to people.

And even if the reports are not showing anything new, why shouldnt someone from the club stand up to these journalists who insist on rubbishing our club.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:01 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
And even if the reports are not showing anything new, why shouldnt someone from the club stand up to these journalists who insist on rubbishing our club.


Firstly you will never win a war with a journalist, the only way you can hurt them is by withholding information, don't give them scoops.
Secondly the journalists job is to sell papers, so the headline is what is going to sell papers. He could have chosen the following headlines; Kangaroos in massive debt, Bulldogs in massive debt, Carlton in massive debt. If I was the editor of the paper I know which headline is going to sell more papers.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:06 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Blue4ever wrote:
The best VFL club is now a middle of the road club off the field. Teams that were average in the VFL are now better structured and seem to have more $$$ than we do. Yes we do have great facilities but so does evryone else.

That is horribly inaccurate.


Are you satisifed with our membership numbers? Our main competitors have leapt over us

Are you satisfied with our financial situation? I am no finance guru but I doubt we would be in the top 8 financed clubs

I suppose success is all about winning flags, we are making in roads. Off the field, membership and $$$ are major issues and I do not believe we are well positioned in these areas. A club with our success I believe we should be better positioned imo especially with our support base.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:21 am 
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JohnM wrote:
(Molsey, I just saw your previous post. I'm surprised you don't think a football club Chairman/President has a significant role to play in shaking the corporate tree for revenue streams. I'd say being able to attract that kind of support is around half his job).


(sorry JM, where do I say that? In my response above here all I'm trying to say is that there was no need to refute this publicly - its all true, just with a slant)


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:18 pm 
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Blue4ever wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Blue4ever wrote:
The best VFL club is now a middle of the road club off the field. Teams that were average in the VFL are now better structured and seem to have more $$$ than we do. Yes we do have great facilities but so does evryone else.

That is horribly inaccurate.


Are you satisifed with our membership numbers? Our main competitors have leapt over us

Are you satisfied with our financial situation? I am no finance guru but I doubt we would be in the top 8 financed clubs

I suppose success is all about winning flags, we are making in roads. Off the field, membership and $$$ are major issues and I do not believe we are well positioned in these areas. A club with our success I believe we should be better positioned imo especially with our support base.

From earlier in the thread:

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I don't think it was published online, but further to this story The Age has published an audit of all Victorian clubs, and how they stack up.

We don't come out of it looking great.

Revenue:
Collingwood 75.2 mil
Ess 44.9
Gee 44.8
Haw 40.6
St Kilda 37.9
Carlton 35
Melb 32.8
WB 32.1
Rich 31.5
North 25.6

We have the fourth-highest liabilities.

I'd say the only interstate clubs above those figures would be West Coast, Adelaide & Fremantle.

We're about 8th in the off-field stakes, after plunging cash into re-establishing our football department. We've set up some additional revenue streams in the last 18 months but there is still a lot more work to be done. We are nothing like a VFL club; that is absolute fantasy.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:25 pm 
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molsey wrote:
There's nothing new in this article and none of the data should surprise anyone. Carlton has a lot of debt for a football club - Fact. Carlton has chosen to try and rebuild off the field and fund its share of the new development rather than pay off debt.

This note from our Auditors has been in the accounts for most of the last decade. In parallel our revenues have picked up (not enough IMHO but perhaps the pokies will assist) and we've sought to compete for the off field performance teams. Alot of this has been done but not doubt Collingwood will continue to set the bar here and advance their Club faster than ours (they could for example employ a few minders to look after a Fevola if they ever recruited him!).

I wouldnt worry about a rollover date. Its not GFC anymore. Banks will happily rollover debt these days as the Banks are slowly becoming competitive again. besides with the AFL over the top there won't be a problem.

We've never stopped being high in debt and we've never stopped having a weak balance sheet. We have however prioritised expenditure and we are moving ahead. A debt reduction campaign is one way to do it but also if the pokies pick up it might assist. A GF performance would surely go down well too.

(As for individuals not sure what a President has to do with this)


I probably took you out of context from the above, Molsey.

I agree that a President isn't entirely responsible for debt levels. But it's our revenue figures that concern me the most (and therefore our ability to reduce our debt and continue to invest in the football department). And if the Prez isn't pulling his weight in that regard, it makes it hard for the CEO to both reduce debt AND continue to invest in onfield success.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:57 pm 
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At the end of the day if you accept mediocrity that's what you become.

If we're happy to finish 7th or 8th then we'll keep finish middle of the rung. Pies lost prelims to the cats and they were crushed, we laughed at them and said they should have been satisfied with just making it considering how great Geelong were but they didn't believe that. On the flip side we're happy to choke in finals against mediocre sides talking about what a great effort it was. I never heard one Carlton fan back in 1993 say at least we made it, times have changed.


In the membership thread I've lost count of how many times I've read "We're ahead of last year!" Who gives a @#$%&! if we beat last year? The pies aimed for 50,000 members and when they got it did you see them patting themselves on the back saying their job is done? No they're aiming for 70,000 members and they might not get it this year but within 2 or 3 years they will.

Who is more attractive to big sponsors? A side which is happy to finish 5th-8th and hope to get 43,000 members or a side which accepts no less than a premiership and wants to smash membership records to pieces?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:29 pm 
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Good Post The Game.

This is why I was really upset hearing Ratten at a Women of Carlton Function saying they are aiming to win one final in Melbourne.

I thought 'YOU ARE KIDDING AREN'T YOU', we need to aim to win the granfinal, bugger the one final.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:24 pm 
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Are you satisifed with our membership numbers? Our main competitors have leapt over us

Are you satisfied with our financial situation? I am no finance guru but I doubt we would be in the top 8 financed clubs

I suppose success is all about winning flags, we are making in roads. Off the field, membership and $$$ are major issues and I do not believe we are well positioned in these areas. A club with our success I believe we should be better positioned imo especially with our support base.
jimmae wrote:
From earlier in the thread:

JohnM wrote:
I don't think it was published online, but further to this story The Age has published an audit of all Victorian clubs, and how they stack up.

We don't come out of it looking great.

Revenue:
Collingwood 75.2 mil
Ess 44.9
Gee 44.8
Haw 40.6
St Kilda 37.9
Carlton 35
Melb 32.8
WB 32.1
Rich 31.5
North 25.6

We have the fourth-highest liabilities.

I'd say the only interstate clubs above those figures would be West Coast, Adelaide & Fremantle.

We're about 8th in the off-field stakes, after plunging cash into re-establishing our football department. We've set up some additional revenue streams in the last 18 months but there is still a lot more work to be done. We are nothing like a VFL club; that is absolute fantasy.


Jimmae go back and re read my initial post, I did not say we are a VFL side.

I stated that we were a powerhouse in the VFL, the best – we were admired and hated due to our success.

Now in the AFL we have became average of the field in terms of membership and $

No fantasy there Jimmae.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:12 pm 
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Blue4ever wrote:
Jimmae go back and re read my initial post, I did not say we are a VFL side.

I stated that we were a powerhouse in the VFL, the best – we were admired and hated due to our success.

Now in the AFL we have became average of the field in terms of membership and $

No fantasy there Jimmae.

Apologies - I read your earlier statements as a suggestion that VFL clubs of today were on par with some Victorian clubs in the AFL.

We're still above average in membership for Victorian clubs; it's a fiercely competitive market in comparison to the other states. We also gross a lot from general admission which is why we need to move away from Etihad. In reality we should be doing better, but when the clubs ahead of us are all recent grand finalists, premiers and over-hyped March premiers (Essendon*), I'm not too worried.

I'm predicting about 45,000 members.

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