That, Doc, is a brilliant suggestion.

With the 'Blueseum' banner Ive contacted David a number of times but he's always been to busy - it's always 'call me next month and we'll see'. Unless someone here can get better access I'd propose that we get TC to agree the two teams and then approach Tony DeB at the club to try and get some quality time with parko?

I think the 90's side will be easier to pick than the 80's, but i think thats a great idea (for us geeks that is).

Its a bit like comparing Essendon*'s side of 2000 with their 84-85 sides. Sure the 2000 side did better in a single season than the 84-85 sides did, but the 80s side won 2 flags, the 00s side only one.

This is basically an idential debate, the 80s side was probably more versatile, while the 90s one more methodical. Pure talent you would probably go the 80s side too, but the 90s side was drilled brilliantly to a game plan (as well as having some stars, and also bit players who only really performed in 95).

The issue of training/professionalism should be irrelevant to this argument. For the sake of the argument we should assume they both do similar training for this particular match.

I will go with the 90s side at PP, but 80s side at the G and Waverley.

I assumed it was a head to head matchup in which the 90s side would smash the 80s just like Pies 2010 would smash our 95 side. Evolution.

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In an earlier post, the assumption was that fitness and training would be considered equal. If this was the case I would back the '95 side. We had a potent multi-dimensional fwd line, gun on-ballers and the backline had some of our all-time greatest defenders in it. Maybe I am too one-eyed but i wouldnt be too hasty to class 2010 Pies better then the '95 Blues.

I didn't say they were better or greater I said they would smash the 95 side. It's like Rocky Marciano one of the greatest heavyweight champs of all time 49 fights, 49 wins , 43 by knock out. The current heavyweight champ is Wladamir Klitschko is considered good but not great, fights in a weak era, been KOed 3 times etc. Rocky is regarded as greater by any boxing historian but if they were to have ever fought Wlad would be 8 1/2 inches taller and 60 pounds heavier, not to mention stronger, faster, fitter and more athletic. It would be murder.
It's the same with any sport. Tennis, Basketball, Swimming etc.

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I tend to look at the quality of players, Sticks would rag-dol Reid and Spalding likewise to Brown, possibly not as much. The Siants fwd line was one of the worst ever GF fwd lines, especially seeing that they played two defensive half-fwds!!! Pearce and Diesel would be a handful for the Pies backs as well. SOS on Cloke and Dean on Dawes would be in the Blues favour especially with other backs like Sexton, McKay and Christou. THe on-ballers would be a good match-up as this is the Pies strength. Its only my opinion but I think the Blues would be able to hold their own if not win.

i think the Dominator would take care of Diesel.....all things being equal.

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IMO - not quite sure about that even though I rate Johnno as the third best footballer in my time at carlton just behind Doull and Sticks. He would be quicker but not the endurance, i like to think of it as a draw - love them both

Would there be any changes to the lineups?

I imagine with the 80's lack of reliance on key forwards, the 90's side might throw SOS forward and put Dean Rice back to cover some of the resting mosquito fleet.

Imagine Bruce Doull lining up on Stephen Silvagni (or Kernahan for that matter).

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Kernahan - N Brown
Pearce - Maxwell
Williams - O'Brien
Clape - Toovey
Spalding - Reid
Rice - B Johnson

I just can't see Collingwood winning these contests. There is no scope for any of their 'third-uppers' to help out with Sticks, or run off and create. Releasing O'Brien or Maxwell to halfback would leave Toovey on either Pearce or Williams - a massive win for Carlton. It emphasises the need to put together an effective forward 6 who can spread the opposition defence.

I'd also back Silvagni, Sexton and Dean to wipe the floor with Dawes, Cloke and Brown.

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I agree with what you have posted - the closest part of the two teams would be the mid-field as this was the Pies genuine strength

O'Brien and Maxwell are punching above their weight, they can do this in a very well drilled, coached and discilpined team like the Pies.

I think we did see Doull vs Sticks in a State game in the mid-80s ('84?)...Sticks kicked a big bag in that game but only a few of them were on Doull (Sticks had 3 or 4 different opponents that night from what I recall).

I also think we might have seen Diesel vs Johnno a couple of times in the mid/late '80s when Diesel was at the Swans. Johnno was getting towards the end of his career at that stage. From memory, I think Johnno said in his book that he rated Raines as a better player than Diesel (but bear in mind the book came out in '91 - Diesel still had some of his best footy ahead of him at that stage...)

FWIW - I loved Johnno but I think he would have had his work cut out for him if Diesel was 'in the zone'...

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

It sh*ts me to tears when some people think Sticks kicked 10 goals on Doull, you are right the 'Doormat' was one of 4 opponents that night.

Johnno loved Raines as they used to hang out a bit socially with both of them being 'players' on and off the field.

Like you Johnno was a hero of mine but I reckon Diesel may have come out in front. But there was nothing quite like the buzz i used to get when Johnno snagged a goal and ran 30 metres with his arms in the air pumping up the team.

We can thank the Pies for making Johnno a centreman!!!!

Forgive my ignorance Bomba - but what are you referring to?

I'll have a guess and say it's connected with with the Pies trying to poach Johnno from us at one stage...?

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

Johnno was my favourite player as a kid.

I cannot believe how underrated Greg Williams career has been though.

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In Rd 3 1982 a game against the Pies at Vic Park we copped a few injuries and Parkin had to throw the team around a fair bit. Two significant moves that he did for the first time was throw Johnno into the centre and a concussed Kenny Hunter up forward. Hunter was out cold but recovered enough to go fwd and snag 3 goals and Johnno was BOG. We kicked 9 goals in the 3rd quarter and went from 4 goals down to almost 4 goals up.

Also we had drawn the first game against Fitzroy and lost the second to the 'Dons and was looking shaky this game. It was a must win game and it was before the 'Pies imploded and sacked Hafey. It was a massive win and one of my fondest memories of going to that sh*t hole of a ground.

This one Bomba?

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... +3%2C+1982

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Thanks for that BS - thats the game i am referring to

TC footnote: BS would be Blue Sombrero. Blueseum is BZM. Cheers!

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