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I'm not claiming inside information, I'm claiming a recollection of past precedent. When you're at 28 or 29, you're not going to see two first rounders on the table for just the one player (Fev trade anyone??). It's attainable, but I'm not convinced it's good value. We'd have to get 3 outstanding seasons from the bloke, and a premiership, because he'd cost us two good/great players.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Agreed. We're paying for that premium service.

Then we can look at a gun (gap) to get us the flag.

I don't want to give away 2 top picks for Pav if we are not guaranteed a Flag.
There's no way anyone would guarantee a flag with the addition of Pav in our current situation.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Don't want Pav ... I want us to find the next Pav

We are terrible at evaluating talent. We would trade over his value like we have done many times before.

When you look at the other side of the coin on the Judd trade we might be paying dearly. We give up picks 3, 20 and Kennedy. Forget who the Eagles have selected with 3 and 20 because that is irrelevant. If you assume that pick 3 would be a very good player and pick 20 a good player, then effectively we have lost from our list the opportunity to have another 20 very good players and one good player. Judd I know is a champion and better than very good. I just have a concern that we have this champion and then alot of gaping holes.

The second part of the Judd acquisition that concerns me is this almighty rush to a premiership whilst we think he has playing time left. As a result we pick up Warnock (and trade pick 24) when in the 24 months prior to this we obtain Hampson, Jacobs and Kreuzer ... overkill on ruck acquisitions. We then pay dearly for Mclean because we are in that rush when we could have selected another young player and build the pieces to a very strong era.

Getting a Pav smells of a "quick, hurry up, got to get a flag whilst judd is playing otherwise we will never get one".

You can shoot me down if you want. To me we are like someone on a fad diet. In a big rush to accomplish something very quickly only to stack the kilos on later on.

I can't believe anyone thinks where getting Pav.

He's played in the worst side for 10 years and now they're actully reasonable and you think he's walking out.

Adelaide clubs have been trying a lot harder for alot longer and he still hasn't moved.

We got the best player few years back and nothing much has changed. It's still the bottom 25 on our list we need to fix....

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I support the Navy Blues whatever happens!

We do?

Based on what criteria? Who is better? Define borrowed time? Why will we miss the finals? Who will play instead? Is this such a big deal?

+ 1

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S M C , S F L

Other clubs know the risks. You just have to look at the tactics on draft day. Most clubs pick a a number of kids knowing full well that all of them won't make it but they don't shirk on taking kids that might have all the attributes of solid or good future AFL footballers, at worst, even if they are not always consistent or their junior footy is not blessed with accolades.

However, the only time we ever takes risks is when we are desperate. After we've consistently trimmed our draft picks, our selections are almost always those next-in-line types who have a bit of a rep in U/18's for their respective states but were overlooked earlier because there was always some kid around that did the same kind of thing just that little bit better than them. This is the way we go, even in the rookie draft. After that, by our very nature, we are on the back foot from the start, not to mention the fact that we are trying to develop these kids that basically play the same kind of limited role, there just isn't that spot for them, no matter how poor the seniors might be travelling. The more 'champions' we gather from other clubs, in annual lots of 'one', the less help they get, and the help they do get gets older and starts to drop-away.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Poor old Headcutter.

Comes on here ranting and raving after a loss, creates three threads to show how angry he is.

Little chance we'll see him this week.

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