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Rexy
 Post subject: Re: Cause for concern?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:53 pm 
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molsey wrote:
Why deter posting / reading / sharing views?


Exactly.

If unregistered lurkers can see a topic that urges them to contribute to then they'll register.
If they can view all topics, they're exposed to the google ads and may click on some of them.
The current front page setting is counter-productive to the overall financial scheme of things, IMO.
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jimmae
 Post subject: Re: Cause for concern?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:05 pm 
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blue4 wrote:
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There are no rival supporters visiting and you need them here - you need a Bomber supporter encouraging light hearted banter ad thought provoking discussion; banter and criticism is immediately bashed down.. to the detriment of supporters forums. It seems this forum is a forum for everyne to agree with one another and make it stale and boring.


i disagree


Well you need to ask why there arent any rival supporters frequenting here as they were in the old TBV?

Can't quite recall the details there, but I can speak about the regulars on TC.

They were (are):
mandy
old_55
garth_p
ADP
bomber_now_blue
demon2
St Fidelus
Sedat

Of that list, you'd only be glad to see mandy, old_55, demon2, Sedat and maaaybe St Fidelus. They contributed well to the discussion at times, while the rest just loved to bait.

We know what happened to mandy; St Fidelus doesn't really affect me one way or the other, but chances are he just got bored; old_55 & Sedat usually appear outside of head to head fixtures and are great posters. Just checked: old55 was last here in late May, but last posted in February.

demon2 came here to talk about other sports mostly; not sure on his status.

There are certainly other opposition supporters who pop up when the fixtures align and they are always welcome, particularly Laza for Hawks and David (I think?) for Pies games.

That's a pretty decent bunch; they don't flock to us like they did TBV simply because back in those days, there was just one Carlton forum independent of BF. Move with the times blue4.

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Deepbluesomething
 Post subject: Re: Cause for concern?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:22 pm 
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Just a couple suggestions, bigfooty has an add immediately proceeding the first post of the thread. Cant avoid it but only once in the thread so not too invasive. Also Have you thought about a TC iphone application? Could include the forum, carlton/bullants news/injuries, live scores/discussion, blueseum could include history, maybe links to podcasts like jamos junk. Not sue how do-able this is but as an iphone user would love a more mobile friendly access to the site
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bluegirl72
 Post subject: Re: Cause for concern?
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yep,
I had my grammar corrected by a Demon on site last week.
gosh,I was frightfully grateful for the experience. :razz:

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 Post subject: Re: Cause for concern?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:43 pm 
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"Concerns" come to a head, I dunno, every six months to a year. As long as the finances are kept on top of then everything is sweet. The site will evolve etc as people come and go. The Carlton forums seem to be as busy as always. We're winning so the hysteria is only a low din at the moment but is sure to explode again if we lose form and crash. It could well be back by 10pm tonight if we go down to North.

Worse case, I think there'd definitely be enough people willing to put their hands in their pockets to help out with costs to keep the site hosted.
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GWS
 Post subject: Re: Cause for concern?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:28 pm 
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In "over-moderated" I'm not just referring to the response of mods to the tone of threads but to the structure of the site and the ridiculous number of forums.

I have limited time these days and would love to be able to catch up for 10 minutes each day but having to trawl through the endless forums is a serious drag. If the bulk of the threads could be in two or three forums it'd be a whole lot easier to keep tabs on what's being posted. There's a main board (Talking Carlton) that's acting as a minor board because interesting threads and posts keep getting shunted off to Talking Players.

I'd love to read a training report but I forget to go to Talking Training and miss it.

What if more threads started in Talking Carlton and then moved into the relevant archives later? So the last week's training report is in Talking Carlton and when the next one arrives the previous one is moved to Talking Training.

Same thing for Bullants reports etc.

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grrofunger
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click view active topics GWS and the the site becomes just 1 big forum with the most active topics(most recent posts) listed from top to bottom

thats how i read the site

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GWS
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grrofunger wrote:
click view active topics GWS and the the site becomes just 1 big forum with the most active topics(most recent posts) listed from top to bottom

thats how i read the site


That's better - thanks.

Should be the default... :lol:

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Cazzesman
 Post subject: Re: Cause for concern?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:31 pm 
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Gilly34 wrote:
Mrs Caz wrote:
that's a lot of different personalities there.

Some of them are even in separate bodies.



:lol: :lol:

Image

:razz:


What we do in the privacy of our own home has nothing to do with anyone on TC. :sly: :sly: :sly:

Regards Cazzesman

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keogh
 Post subject: Re: Cause for concern?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:05 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
TC is an unofficial website
Freedom of speech
It became too overally moderated
So many of the more colourful characters have left.

Banning TP was a joke
Ratten cant get up at a press coference an say Stevo sleeps with the light on.
We could and it was funny. And the cyclic arguments was only in a small % of TP
Yet it was banned probably because the club might have warned the site

That is sad and its bitten TC on the arse


Freedom of Speech also brings with it major issues these days. Websites have been sued due to FofS and I doubt you will put your hand in your pocket for the so called FofS should someone try to sue TC simply because a poster hiding behind a keyboard in the shaddows has a big gob.

If you want your FofS then post on CSC or the other spinoff.

Regards Cazzesman





Happy to show my face to you or anyone else associated with club Cazzeman

fact is the tone of your response is why people have left
period
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keogh
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Oh
I aint going anywhere
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Mrs Caz
 Post subject: Re: Cause for concern?
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Ah, the joys of internet communication.

You think his tone is bad, he thinks your tone is bad.

I think you're both tone deaf at times. :razz:
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Gilly34
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Mrs Caz wrote:
I think you're both tone deaf at times. :razz:


he's been playing his music to you again hasn't he?? :idea:
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keogh
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:smile: :thumbsup:
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bluegirl72
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Group hug? :grin:

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Mrs Caz
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Gilly34 wrote:
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he's been playing his music to you again hasn't he?? :idea:


he doesn't have any music. *boomtish*
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TheBluesMuse
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buzzaaaah wrote:
TheBluesMuse wrote:
Tolerance is a big thing.

If the Positive Petes could tolerate the Negative Nellies then we'd be well on our way to some positive change around here.


I've met many negative Carlton supporters in the flesh, and they are as boring and annoying as any in print.
Nobody wants to hang around with someone who's always complaining and whinging. They are draining and depressing. Most of the time, they just like to hear themselves talk/read their own posts.

Nobody minds criticism if its constructive or accurate but constant carping is insufferable.

So the answer is no, I don't want to tolerate them.


That's your prerogative..... you can ignore or foe or whatever.

But in saying that, trolling is trolling and unless the rules have changed then the Positive Petes are the ones breaking them 9 times out of ten.

There have been many posts from high profile posters and mods which only purpose was to insight anger in the critical posters....they are off topic and only make matters worse.

If i had the time I could go back and find many examples....I might oneday if I ever get a day off.

It's no wonder they get more bitter and twisted and push their agendas further it's in utter frustration that the self righteous tone and trolling of some posters is allowed to continue.

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keogh
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:25 pm 
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That Carlton great Mick McGuane got into trouble when he referred to playing on Kickett and Long in 1990 GF as a coroboree.
during the 20 year reunion.

That's how bad this society has become.
You cant say anything these days.
A funny comment in jest

And if you cant say things that is bad for any so called democracy.

If Carlton play shit or a player plays shit, well you shouldnt be quashed in saying it.


By the way Dane :wink: I am happy where travelling a bit better these days
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Pafloyul
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The so-called negative supporters are often 'negative' about a lot of things, you either accept that kind of thing or you don't. I'm sure there would be a lot of people on this site who would accept a mate whinging about taxes or speed cameras or other such rubbish and yet choose to take the high ground when it comes to the CFC. Suddenly, being negative about a football club turns into something that is morally objectionable or at least worthy of derision which is close to the same thing. :confused: Some of it is painful, even some of my stuff :grin: but it is all easy to ignore at worst. Most of us are either just letting off steam or at least honest with our beliefs even if it is unwarranted but shouldn't we be allowed to work it out for ourselves? It might even shock some of you to realise that it isn't even important to publicly admit we are wrong in such cases. This is especially true if we are constantly adapting.

What's more important, having a thriving sight with a couple of odd-bods here and there or the prospect of this site being merely the place where only like-minded fans can play a little game of positive ping-pong - now that's boring!

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Cazzesman
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:44 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
The so-called negative supporters are often 'negative' about a lot of things, you either accept that kind of thing or you don't. I'm sure there would be a lot of people on this site who would accept a mate whinging about taxes or speed cameras or other such rubbish and yet choose to take the high ground when it comes to the CFC. Suddenly, being negative about a football club turns into something that is morally objectionable or at least worthy of derision which is close to the same thing. :confused: Some of it is painful, even some of my stuff :grin: but it is all easy to ignore at worst. Most of us are either just letting off steam or at least honest with our believes even if it is unwarranted but shouldn't we be allowed to work it out for ourselves? It might even shock some of you to realise that it isn't even important to publicly admit we are wrong in such cases. This is especially true if we are constantly adapting.

What's more important, having a thriving sight with a couple of odd-bods here and there or the prospect of this site being merely the place where only like-minded fans can play a little game of positive ping-pong - now that's boring!


Dino it's a simple as this for me.

I am happy to read negative views IF they are supporterd by some semblance of corroborative or factual evidence. Being negative just because the poster 'doesn't like' 'A,B,C or D' is possible cause for a post from me seeking clarification on the point of view. I might even agree with the post if I think it makes sense to me and is based on some analysis and is acutally part of the real world of AFL.

Blowing off steam is fine after a poor performance. But tipping the shite bucket on all and sundry, when it is not necessarily warranted IMHO, might get a response.

Regards Cazzesman

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