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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:26 pm 
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I reckon we are slightly ahead of where we were this time last year.

1. Gibbs, Kruezer, Murphy continue to improve towards becoming A grade players
2. Judd is fitter and playing more outside
3. Multi dimensional forward line
4. Better balanced side especially coming from defence creating attacking opportunities and turning the opposition inside out.
5. Guys like Russell, Armfield, Garlett going from fringe players to fixtures in best 22
6. Players like Yarran & Robinson on the verge of consistent senior football
7. Depth in ruck.
8. When fully fit players such as Bower, Lucas, Grigg, Hampson, Austin, Warnock will be pushing for spots
9. Walker, Scotland and Houlihan playing roles that suit them
10. Massive improvement still in AJ, Armfield, Lucas, Garlett, Yarran, Robinson, Jacobs & Henderson

Big issue now is consistency. Still too much of a gap between our best and our worst.

At our best we can beat anyone. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:14 pm 
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I think we're considerably ahead of where we were last year, for all those same reasons. Overall, we're far less dependant on any one player. And with development of younger players and recruiting of new players, our overall depth has improved markedly.

We've lost 2 of our older players, in Stevo and Fev. We've had a much harder draw to start the year. And we're still around the same spot on the ladder.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:12 pm 
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We are more advanced, as you would hope, from this time last year. The Fev loss has been a non-issue from Round 4 onwards since we have decided to rely on our strengths and relying on our array of small forwards and midfielder to share the load.

We are much more consistent in terms of effort and performance than last year. There has only been one diabolical performance (vs Essendon*), the Collingwood game we weren't bad, Hawthorn we had injury problems (prior to the game and during it, plus weren't that switched on, i can excuse it).

Last year till round 11 we had games against Sydney, Adelaide and Fremantle where we were terrible. Also an Essendon* game where we decided to become FIGJAMs midway through the 2nd quarter.

I think top 4 is a big big chance, at the moment I think the only side we are clearly behind from the 2nd to 6th bracket is Collingwood, and I can see us closing that as the season goes on. If we keep getting players back and dont cop too many injuries, we could finish as high as 2nd, more likely 3rd or 4th. I would struggle to see us finishing lower than 6th.

We know our best is as good as anyones now, its just the consistency of effort that needs to improve further for us to become a top 4 side.

Overall though, much better than I expected, Ratts and the MC have adjusted really well to life without Fev and have barely put a foot wrong since the Essendon* game. I actually think we are better than people outside of the club believe, which is fine. Better to sneak under the radar.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:07 am 
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Although we were sitting fourth on the ladder after round 11 in 2009, I think we are streets ahead of where we were this time last year. A winning record of 6-5 isn't great considering we're 7-4 this year and have travelled to Brisbane, and South Australia twice, and played last year's Grand Finallists in the opening half of the year. Take nothing away from our wins against both South Australian teams either; it is not easy to go over to AAMI Stadium and knock off Port and the Crows convincingly.

What I have enjoyed watching this year is the brand of footy we're playing when the team's up and about. When you compare it to St.Kilda style, a Sydney style, or even a Collingwood style, our brand is often exciting and engaging to watch. The brand of footy we play at the moment is what wins premierships. Have spoken to many people who believe that the Blues will win a flag before the Saints do because St.Kilda's game style can be exposed by the faster running teams. We may not be perfect yet, but it is great to see an exciting brand of footy developing into our team.

If I can fault us though, it has been our losses this season that have been quite poor in terms of team performance. In a nutshell, when we're redhot, we are fantastic to watch. But when the team's not switched on, the basic mistakes made on the field make the game almost unbearable to watch.

The Brisbane game was a gallant effort, I know we shouldn't be accepting honourable losses but without Judd and our team structure still to be reconfigured, it was a brave effort to go up there and give the Lions a scare. There was always going to be emotion in the game, and I think in a few weeks we're really well placed to knock them off. We owe them, they've beaten us the last two times now.

The loss to Essendon* (again) hurts, it doesn't matter how many we've lost against them in a row, it will always hurt to lose to a rival. It may be excused that we were without our captain in Judd, and in the early part of the season adjusting to life without Fevola. I think now we'd be in a better position to defeat them next time, seeing as the team's better gelled together and our forward line has a better understanding of each other. Looking forward to playing them next time.

Our round six loss to Collingwood was a hiding, but I don't think the end result necessarily reflected how the team played. Coming off a big win over Geelong the week before, we were always going to be a little shaky. There were some really positive signs to take out of the match, including big Setanta booting 5 against some quality opposition. I feel that after a few wins in a row, we're always due for a loss. I said the same about the Hawks game, and after we'd lost it I knew we were better placed for the period we're in now.

Really looking forward to the next 11 rounds of the year, starting this Friday night against North Melbourne. We are a massive show to be 8-4 after round 12, and it will set us up for our push for the finals.

Despite our dominant opening half of the year, sitting in 5th position, I'm still not yet sold on finishing fourth. We're not quite a top four team yet. My expectations at the start of the year was to make the 8 and go from there. Given everything that had happened, the loss of Fevola, the booze cruise and so on, I felt these were rational expectations, and I never actually believed we would suffer badly this year like a lot of people did. Without adding much more to my pre-season expectations, I expect us to win at least one final.

At the moment though, I'm very happy with the way the team's tracking, and it makes it a lot sweeter that so far they've defied the critics who said we'd be bottom four. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:15 pm 
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so far, a very good practice run for 2011 and 2012 and a serious tilt at the top 4 / serious end of the business

I would have thought 4 from 11 would be fine given the changes to the front end this year ... 7 from 11 is a bonus and of the 4 losses ... all of them realistically had the potential to go our way

so, all good for next year :thumbsup:

go Ratts :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:08 pm 
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blue4 wrote:
Very up and down - settling against weaker opposition. Which is what we probably needed as the first few games were tough.

Games against Essendon*, Hawthorn and Collingwood were unforgivable...they are our rivals too.. need to pull our socks up in this area as we will meet a rival in the finals,

Brilliant against StKilda & Geelong.


yes on the pies n Essendon*
against hawks we had 1 fit player 10min into 2nd quarter

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:12 pm 
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We woz good. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:43 pm 
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Looking a bit deeper.

2009 Wins against teams that were in the top 8 at R11 = 4 (Bulldogs, Collingwood, Brisbane R2, Brisbane R11)
2009 Losses against teams in the top eight at R11 = 1 (Hawks)
2009 Wins against teams that were in the bottom 8 at R11 = 2 (Richmond, West Coast)
2009 Losses against teams in the bottom eight at R11 = 4 (Essendon*, Sydney, Freo, Adelaide)

2010 Wins against teams that were in the top 8 at R11 = 2 (Geelong, St Kilda)
2010 Losses against teams in the top eight at R11 = 2 (Collingwood, Hawthorn)
2010 Wins against teams that were in the bottom 8 at R11 = (Richmond, Adelaide, Port, Melbourne, West Coast)
2010 Losses against teams in the bottom eight at R11 = 1 (Brisbane, Essendon*)

In 2009 at R11 we had beaten twice as many top 8 teams than 2010, lost to half as many top 8 teams as 2010
In 2010 at R11 we had beaten twice as many bottom 8 teams than 2009 and lost to half as many bottom 8 teams

Are we tracking any better or any worse?? I think I feel more confident going into games this year and I am genuinely shocked when we have losses such as the Hawthorn and Collingwood games whereas last year they didn't hurt as much.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:25 pm 
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I was expecting us to be 8-3 at the half way mark.
I expected losses against Geel, STK & Coll.

I thought we'd beat Coll later on the year as the kids grow in confidence and finals around the corner.
With the plenty of pressure on spots in the 22 will continue to improve in strength, stamina, skill and confidence.

I'm not disappointed at all, coz we have beaten last years 2 GF teams = confidence that we can do it when switched on.
I'm sure we've learned a lot about ourselves against Ess and Coll, bacuse they were huge disappointments (and still are).

Against Hawks, I did not expect us to be missing due to injury/suspension such a huge list including:
Waite, Walker, Bower, Austin, Houlihan, Hampson, Hadley, McLean, Lucas, Grigg, Warnock & Fisher,
and White, Armfield, Johnson and Yarran injured on the bench disabling our ability to rotate in the last.
I expect the boys to have learned what the term switched on implies, but that many injuries (7 pregame and 3 during the game) would even effect Geelong imo.

I expect Bower, Armfield, Yarran and Lucas back in the team for a big 2nd half of the season.
I also have a strong feeling that Hampson and Lucas will break into the team in the 2nd half as we settle our team for a tilt for the flag.

As expected, our Forwardline functions better than last year in terms of being multi dimensional and unpredictable without Fev.

Very excited with what Hendo has shown this year. He really ran out of petrol against Collingwood, and we have to learn to give our kids spells in future, before they run out of juice.

Cordy expected our kids/list to be peaking in the 2nd half of 2010.
I have money on us for The Flag, GF, Final 4 and Final 8, and I'm expecting to win the latter 2 at the very least.

If we can win the next 5 in a row against NM, Freo, Bris, Doggies & Swans (big ask, unprecedented but possible), we will be 12-4 and not only give as a fighting chance for a top 4 finish, but we also stifle teams who were expecting to finish higher than us in 2010 in the process (Bris, Swans & Doggies) and bridge the gap between us and Freo.

What a fantastic list we have and in addition to the abovementioned we will have Austin, Tuohy, Kerr and White knocking on the door in 2011 and maybe even earlier.

One has to respect the impact Injuries have to any team aspiring to play finals and have a great finals campaign.
If we get a good run, I expect miracles to happen ala Hawks 2010. With Judd amongst our great list, anything can happen.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:50 pm 
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About a 8/10 from me.
I've taken two off for losses to Bombers and Lions.
Traditionally, good Carlton teams lose to hacks (See 1995 Swans, Saints) throughout the season.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:38 pm 
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We are ahead of last year.
The reason we were 4th this time 2009 is b/c last year the better teams were much more inconsistent. Geelong, Adelaide, StK, Bulldogs, Coll & even Brisbane all could have nailed top 4 spots but were still jostling late in the season even though they were clearly better than us.
This year reads more true. We can beat the best if we play to our max and they don't which is what happened with Saints and Cats.
We are not quite as good (or even/consistent) as Coll.
Bris/Ess/Haw featured either poor performance by us or outstanding by them.

We are where I expected us to be re wins/losses. Wins against Cats/Saints cancelling out losses to Ess/Hawks.
I thought any Fev-adjustment would be compensated for by natural improvement from others. On this front, we are ahead of where I thought we'd be.


To be a successful year, I would like to see us play into the 2nd week of finals and win at least one.
Don't think we are mentally ready to win a flag yet and not sure I'd want us to - I'd be concerned that if we did so ahead of time, we'd spend the next 3yrs celebrating and trying to recapture our premiership form a la Hawks 2008 & Ess 1993. I'd prefer to build towards it and then win 3 in a row!!

PS. Well, I WOULD like to win it this year but would prefer to win 3 in the next 5yrs than 1, if that makes sense...

8/10 (& I think some commentators might rate us 9/10, given their pre-season expectations...)


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:26 pm 
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http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27239921-5018851,00.html?from=public_rss

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Currently: Fifth (7-4)
What's gone right: There hasn't been the expected dip on the back of shipping Brendan Fevola north. In fact, the Blues boast an unpredictable attack capable of kicking big scores. They've had wins over Geelong and St Kilda so are capable of mixing it with the big boys.
What's gone wrong: The Blues gave up plenty (draft pick No.11) to lure Brock McLean to Visy Park but the in-and-under midfielder isn't in their best 22 at this stage. Seeing Jordan Gysberts - the player Melbourne took with the pick they gained for McLeab - shine in his first two games must sting, too.
Star performer: Chris Judd is making up for lost time after a delayed start to the season but the form of Setanta O'hAilpin has been equally important for the Blues. The big Irishman is having his best season yet playing as the key forward post-Fevola. Provides plenty of opportunities for the small forwards with his bash and crash style.
Needs a lift: McLean and fellow recruit Lachie Henderson have had half the season to settle at Carlton and should be better in the second half of the year. Andrew Walker is a key to their defence and if injury doesn't get him again he could be critical.
The future: Will make the eight and graduate into the second week of the finals where any of the top four would rather avoid them. Setanta in September will be the key; big forwards who get it done when it matters are worth their weight in gold.
Round 22 prediction: Sixth


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:33 pm 
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yibbida wrote:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27239921-5018851,00.html?from=public_rss

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Carlton
Currently: Fifth (7-4)
What's gone right: There hasn't been the expected dip on the back of shipping Brendan Fevola north. In fact, the Blues boast an unpredictable attack capable of kicking big scores. They've had wins over Geelong and St Kilda so are capable of mixing it with the big boys.
What's gone wrong: The Blues gave up plenty (draft pick No.11) to lure Brock McLean to Visy Park but the in-and-under midfielder isn't in their best 22 at this stage. Seeing Jordan Gysberts - the player Melbourne took with the pick they gained for McLeab - shine in his first two games must sting, too.
Star performer: Chris Judd is making up for lost time after a delayed start to the season but the form of Setanta O'hAilpin has been equally important for the Blues. The big Irishman is having his best season yet playing as the key forward post-Fevola. Provides plenty of opportunities for the small forwards with his bash and crash style.
Needs a lift: McLean and fellow recruit Lachie Henderson have had half the season to settle at Carlton and should be better in the second half of the year. Andrew Walker is a key to their defence and if injury doesn't get him again he could be critical.
The future: Will make the eight and graduate into the second week of the finals where any of the top four would rather avoid them. Setanta in September will be the key; big forwards who get it done when it matters are worth their weight in gold.
Round 22 prediction: Sixth


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Translation: We can't bitch about them being crap due to no Fev, so we'll focus on something else completely minor in the grand scheme of things.


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