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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:45 am 
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To be honest I thought Judd was both a pro and con. In his favour he was simply awesome in that third quarter and was instrumental in getting us back into the match but for the rest of the game his disposal was poor and gave the ball away directly to the opposition at least half a dozen times.


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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 2:32 am 
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He is bad footballer dont care what you all think -I have watched this game all my life and he is close to the worst footballer to play 50 plus games in the navy blue and whilst the club continues to persist with the likes of him we aint going no where - We will not win a flag with this guy as a KP target up forward -So whilst he is there dont expect it

Ask yourself how may he would have kicked if Presti had played


SB. Best you stop now before you look really silly.........


OOPS!!! Too late!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:09 am 
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Pros:
Good score.
Judd was brilliant. Setanta, Gibbs and Murphy not far behind.
Simmo and Russell very good again.
Good to see Bower back in the team.
Lucas is very exciting.
Houla did a good job on Heath Shaw.
I thought Jacobs was good in the ruck contests, although would have liked him to show a little more agression against Jolley earlier in the game. Really struggled to contribute after the hit outs. I prefer Warnock as well, but still hope Jacobs gets a decent run of games.
Even though White struggled with Dawes, still thought he showed a fair bit.

Cons:
The final margin and points conceded.
They got an awful lot of set shots at goal from marks inside 50. We struggled to match up against their talls, and our midfielders didn't run back hard enough defensively. Especially since we couldn't buy a centre clearance in the first half (so there shouldn't have been too much surprise about where the ball was going).
We're still not getting anywhere near enough set shots for goal.
Too many posters.
Smashed out of the middle.
Kreuzer really, really struggled again in a big game. He's really good with his handball, but not sure why he's given up on kicking the ball.
Garlett didn't get near it.
Seemed like we hardly lay a tackle in our forward line. The ball just zipped out of there and up the other end.


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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:10 am 
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6 goals to us from turn overs.....
16 goals to them from turn overs.....


Telling statistic. The turnovers from Brock McLean and Jamo were particularly costly.


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:12 am 
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LosAzules wrote:
What really disappointed me about McLean today was:

(i) not just that our clearance specialist had 3 clearances and 3 CPs the whole game (Judd left to pick up the slack with 18 and 11 respectively), but worse ...
(ii) he did very little to block, bump or show any physicality ... looked like a spectator as Pies players went flying past him, did the same as they chased Blues players with the ball ... he looked shocked at what was happening .. or was he admiring Luke Ball's display of what a real inside mid plays like.


Pretty damning result for Brock today I would have thought.


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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 5:21 am 
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gerry atric wrote:
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we lose games like this because there isnt more players like Maclean in the team


Geez Sydney have you completely lost the plot? Any more in the team like McLean and we would have lost by 100 points. I suggest you watch the game before you comment further.


Agree gerry.SB, I've seen Mclean look tough in the past, but yesterday he was sleep walking. Totally soft yesterday, and not good enough considering the price we paid for him. Needs to take a good hard look at himself, a game full of half hearted efforts at 50-50 contests, and costly fumbles early in the game.


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:59 am 
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one more CON to add..........


Con-
JUDD........... how can he get 37 possessions and 11 clearances yet only get 108 supercoach points? WTF???

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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:23 am 
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Pro
- We played a top side in top form on dry day at the g in front of 80,000. Can't buy the experience and we were competitive
- Setanta (Fev deal looking good)Russell
- Sauce was Ok- must persist with him can mark and tap.





Con
- We are 55 points or 5- 7 players from a premiership side
- White is not better than Thornton at this point in time
- We need KPP strength to beat top four sides. Kreuzer needs to play forward with Sauce and Warnock rucking. K might be a great ruckman but team needs him forward
- Backline is Brittle 155 points
- Houlihan, Garlett, Carazzo, (sometimes Murphy) are not hard enough against top 4 sides. Having said that they are in our best 22.
- Mclean doesn't look capable of playing 22 games a season. Mclean and Hadley should play 4 week blocks.
- Ratten needed to make the moves he made at half time- 15 minutes earlier.
- Hendersen=athlete not footballer. He may take a couple of years like all big men but I doubt he will ever be the complete package. Is he a Jordan Russel? How much time can the list afford to give guys to develop?


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:31 am 
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Ponkstar wrote:
To be honest I thought Judd was both a pro and con. In his favour he was simply awesome in that third quarter and was instrumental in getting us back into the match but for the rest of the game his disposal was poor and gave the ball away directly to the opposition at least half a dozen times.


I was waiting for someone to say this. I thought Judd was really poor by his standards today with his disposal. He seems to lack some confidence approaching the goals at the moment. A couple of times he ran to 60-55m out and could've kept going and had a shot but elected to pass and stuffed up the kick. Plenty of his handballs were intercepted in the packs too. He was far from our worst but I thought he was far from our best.

Armfield was fantastic, a couple of scintillating runs. Bower was terrific on his return. Russell was good too and Gibbs had a big impact when he was moved to the midfield in the 3rd quarter.

But it was all about Setanta "the Irish Wayne Carey" O'hAilpin. What a sensational game. Really got us going and a game like this can only lift his confidence and hopefully 5 goal hauls become commonplace for the great man.

McLean was horrible. No redeeming features to his game today.
Garlett disappointed after playing so well last week (super goal at the end though).
Hendo frustrates the hell out of me at the moment. He's only young and I have hope that he will be good but it's red for him next week.
White again proved a liability in defence. Again, looks promising but is not ready yet.
Sauce took a contested mark yesterday so he is one ahead of Warnock for the season at this stage.

In: Waite, Thornton, Hadley (if fit)/Robinson, intensity
Out: Hendo, White, McLean, turnovers, missed tackles.

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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:54 am 
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ryan2000 wrote:
one more CON to add..........


Con-
JUDD........... how can he get 37 possessions and 11 clearances yet only get 108 supercoach points? WTF???


Possies only count if they're effective and clearances don't mean shit.

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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:08 am 
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Other teams have started figuring how to stop Betts, Garlett and Yarran. We now have to find a way round their stopping tactics.
Henderson receive a heavy knock at the start and may have been a bit dazed. He deserves another week in the ones before going back to the Ants to find form.

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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:24 am 
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I will say one thing about Judd - he certainly doesn't bother too much with chasing, even when he's almost in range to lay a hand on the ball carrier. It was pretty frustrating a couple times watching that. Not everyone is perfect I guess, although he gets pretty close!

Clear pro was Setanta. Don't know what else he could have done.

Also liked Lucas, liked Sauce as well. JR and Armfield at least showed some initiative against the tide. I keep saying this every week, but I am just amazed at JR now vs JR 2008. That would be the biggest turnaround in the league I would think. The virtues of patience.

Con - I wonder what would have happened if Scotland had of kicked that goal early on in the last. It would have got us within three goals with a bit of momentum.

Please, please bring back Waite this week.


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:34 am 
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isdonis.george wrote:
Other teams have started figuring how to stop Betts, Garlett and Yarran. We now have to find a way round their stopping tactics.
Henderson receive a heavy knock at the start and may have been a bit dazed. He deserves another week in the ones before going back to the Ants to find form.


Well, to date only Collingwood have worked out how to stop the Blues Brothers - so that's not quite right.

We desperately needed a mobile 6'4" forward/defender that could give us a target. If only we had one.......hmmmmmmm :? .

Henderson needs to go back now. I'm sick of developing players in the seniors - that's what the 2s are for. Brining in that many greenhorns in front of 80K was stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:35 am 
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Pros
Judd is back to his best form
O'Hailpin, so glad for him, is best game for the club.
Murphy, imagine if had a full pre season
Yarran is all class
Big crowd puts money in our coffers.
Entertaining game.
AJ tried hard as did Armfield and Russell, we covered Didak and Davis well.
I tipped Collingwood

Cons.
McLean, watched the replay and the look on Rattens face after one of his stuff ups was priceless.
Henderson, needs to get confidence in the Bullants
Our backs got slaughtered.
Fade out
Our fumbling under pressure
It was Collingwood :banghead: :banghead:
Turnovers.


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:36 am 
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Pros:
Bower sensational game, defensively good, and also gave great run out of the backline.
Judd, worked his a-se off, disposal did let him down at times, he is human I guess.
Gibbs clean and never panics under pressure.
Houlihan great job as a defensive forward on Shaw.
Scotland's inside work was fantastic, has really stepped it up this year.
Lucas will be a class act. The occasion did not bother him at all. Surely will get nominated this week as the NRS.
The Irishman probably played his best game for the Blues. I must admit I am not a fan, I think he drops too many easy marks as he did yesterday, but cannot question his efforts.

Cons:
Mclean was just aweful in all facets of the game.
Henderson has had no impact at all needs a run in the the twos.
Gartlett fumbled a lot and a couple of times shirked the contest.

Some other points to come out of yesterdays game:
Murphy when he gets the ball is great but needs to work on his defensive game and his tackling. Quite a few times yesterday he was the culprit of missed tackles.
Jacobs worked hard yesterday but his centre square work could have been better. I noticed he jumped too early at times.
Armfield is a much improved player. His work ethic is tremendous.
Russell also was pretty good and brave yesterday backing into packs talking strong marks. He is super important to our team.


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:31 pm 
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Pros:
Lucas was talked up by the radio stations, and rightly so.
You should excuse Judd for his disposals, if you're winning your own ball, running full tilt non-stop and have three opponents hanging off you, a regular AFL player would struggle to get 10% efficiency.
Yatrix had his doubters, prophesied he wasn't the one, maybe that was what he needed to hear. I believe.

Cons:
Slow movers - I'd say both Carrazzo and McLean fit this bill. Carrots is a plodder, he doesn't run into trouble, he walks into it. This isn't the only game, this year he has consistently passed on first options or is too slow to realize these options then when he is under the pump he may go to these options, but obviously it's too late. His only elite assets are his ability to read the play and his endurance, I'd turn him into a full time tagger because the ball shouldn't be in his hands. Slow, slow thinking and slow reactions is not AFL standard.


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 5:08 pm 
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samblueboy wrote:
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You should excuse Judd for his disposals, if you're winning your own ball, running full tilt non-stop and have three opponents hanging off you, a regular AFL player would struggle to get 10% efficiency.


Spot on Sam. Judd and Murph did miss tackles yesterday but only after busting a gut for expended periods to get us back into the contest. These guys are not super-human - there is a limit to their endurance.


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:56 pm 
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PROS:

Judd
Carlos (predicted he'd kick a bag and won quan on a bet with a cauliflower that he'd kick more than Cloke)
Lucas, Army, JR, Bower, Murph Scotto etc...
Thought Joseph was good - took some telling marks.

CONS:

McLean - embarrassing performance. Best he lose the tickets on himself until he can walk-the-walk.
Henderson - predicted he'd come up short in the coming weeks and need a spell. ("How much time does he need?" 14-12-89 - I dare a few years before people write him off. Get a grip.)
Gibbs - doesn't go in hard enough at times (I also saw him fail to help White in spoiling Dawes when he was right there). More expected
Yarran - doesn't go in hard enough at times. More expected.
Betts was average, Gartlett didn't fire a shot. More expected.

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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:29 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
isdonis.george wrote:

Well, to date only Collingwood have worked out how to stop the Blues Brothers - so that's not quite right.

They still got 6 goals between them so it wasn't a complete disaster. Still I know they can play better than that.

Interesting some comments re the defence. Yes we conceded 155 points but individually I thought a few of them back there played well - Definitely JR, Armfield and Bower, also AJ kept Davis quiet and Jamo wasn't bad. So what happened? I still can't quite explain it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:40 pm 
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The Spornstar wrote:
The Duke wrote:
isdonis.george wrote:

Well, to date only Collingwood have worked out how to stop the Blues Brothers - so that's not quite right.

They still got 6 goals between them so it wasn't a complete disaster. Still I know they can play better than that.

Interesting some comments re the defence. Yes we conceded 155 points but individually I thought a few of them back there played well - Definitely JR, Armfield and Bower, also AJ kept Davis quiet and Jamo wasn't bad. So what happened? I still can't quite explain it.


Yeah, come to think of it, what happened?

Dawes kicked 4.3.27 of the 155 points on White.
Cloke 2 goals with Bower on him.
Fraser didn't do anything forward.
Davis got beaten by AJ.
Armfield kept Didak to a goal
Medhurst kicked one against Jamo, and 2 on Gibbs.
Russell's man????? Can't remember his man

Their bloody rotating midfield must've kicked the other 15 goals????????

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