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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:59 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
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How did Tippett & Walker go for Crows?



Both very impressive. Walker has definitely bulked up!

Cheers.
How about Talia v Lucas?



Lucas was very quiet!!! :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:24 pm 
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Scotland got spun around in a tackle in the Pratt Stand pocket in front of where we were standing, & got forced into the ground with his arms pinned after he'd got rid of it :mad:
As soon as he landed I thought it would be no good then saw him wince in a bit of pain. He held his right shoulder & went off. At worst an AC joint. With a bit of luck it was just a 'stinger', hope this isn't just the Tippett of the iceberg though.

Also saw Murph pull up looking pretty sore in the legs/groin after a contest & had the runner come out to him, but he pressed on.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:49 pm 
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This is the first year i have taken much notice of the pre season

How are we compared to last year at this stage going in to round 1?


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Can anyone update us on the Final Scores & who kicked the most for us?


82 points suggests that 12-13 goals is what we managed???


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:06 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
This is the first year i have taken much notice of the pre season

How are we compared to last year at this stage going in to round 1?


Last practice game last year Freo sh1t on us in Bunbury.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:07 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Some people here crowing about modern football clearly don't know how to watch modern football. Our zones are there, but they are a bit poor. The problem was how we defended the corridor portion from 40 - 60 m from goal. Didn't try to force Adelaide wide a great deal and a good side will just have their mids run in and score from 45 m.

Most of everything else being said here is a complete exaggeration.


It's good to see that you're still a condescending upstart Jim. :lol:

FWIW, I thought both teams would be less than impressed with the game.
Both coaches tried plenty of moves including Anderson spending a large portion of the game tagging Goodwin in the middle.
Judd spent a fair bit of time early up forward and actually started the second half off half back.

Murph was rusty as expected, as was Waite.
Interestingly Henderrson was mentioned as a minor contributor in the hun report but I thought he was excellent. He beat Bock on the lead numerous times and when Rutten had a run on him as well, he continued to win the ball. The best aspect was his defensive work. The Crows base their game on drawing the opposition and giving the ball by hand and Carlton played into their hands beautifully. Henderson was extremely effective because he applied pressure from behind the ball carrier which is the best way to break them down.

As others have stated, Judd was good when required, Kruez was fantastic around the ground but I thought the Crows were effective at the centre bounces.
Their ability to protect the area from 4o'clock to 8 o'clock was fantastic and their ruckmen continually fed the ball into that area for their mids to win. Especially Goodwin.
No doubt Ratts will look back on the tapes and see areas to work on. The Crows ruckmen would stand at 5 'clock to feed the ball backwards but when he stood at 7 o'clock, the mids knew to protect the area forward of the circle and Douglas or Petrenko would run in from half forward to win the ball which had been smashed forward.
The Crows may be boring to watch at times but their discipline and understanding of their game style is terrific to watch.

Our backline worked reasonably well again and Jamo is rarely beaten. I thought JR was good again and Bower had a fair game.

The main areas to work on for me are our continued slowness of transition. Both offensive and defensive and our propensity to favour the pockets when the corridor is available. Henderson has a real issue with this which amazes me. He has the ability to command the corridor more and he should be instructed to do so. Several times over the past 3 games I've watched, he has lead out wide when there is space available up the middle. Perhaps it's confidence but he should be instructed to control that area of the ground. He showed today against top quality opposition that he has the tools to play that role. His efforts really filled me with confidence today.

Walker tried hard, Yarran showed a real willingness to apply pressure and Eddie was a livewire. He still needs to take responsibility to kick goals when inside 50. Too often he passes off to a low % option when the goal is on.
I thought Robbo was excellent, as was Gibbs.
AJ had a dip but he was too loose on Petrenko.

For the Crows, Dangerfield is great to watch and is almost untackleable. (If that's a word)

Lots of work to do but at least we're trying different structures. I thought the umpiring was OK and it was our lack of discipline that cost us free kicks and 50s. Not poor decisions by the umpires.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:32 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Some people here crowing about modern football clearly don't know how to watch modern football. Our zones are there, but they are a bit poor. The problem was how we defended the corridor portion from 40 - 60 m from goal. Didn't try to force Adelaide wide a great deal and a good side will just have their mids run in and score from 45 m.

Most of everything else being said here is a complete exaggeration.


It's good to see that you're still a condescending upstart Jim. :lol:

I can clarify, quote and knock-back every example, but Sam Sunshine, livolover and one other I can't recall right now proceeded to reel off rants that were for the most past based in fantasy. It's one thing to have a harsh opinion, but back it up with some evidence; none of us should mouth off just because we didn't like them kicking backwards or because we didn't understand what was happening.

It's really irritating to watch people spout off endlessly in such a mindlessly negative way, and I spent a good deal of time here in my formative years mocking exactly that. I'm sorry if I've managed to leave others feeling tarred with the same brush. That's not the case at all.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:44 am 
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Jim and BV you are my favourite posters when it comes to actually posting about Footy...so don't piss each other off I want you both here posting with enthusiasm. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'ts all about me....you see :smile: :smile:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:29 am 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
Jim and BV you are my favourite posters when it comes to actually posting about Footy...so don't piss each other off I want you both here posting with enthusiasm. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'ts all about me....you see :smile: :smile:


I concur. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Although jimmae I think your report gave me diabetes.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:38 am 
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If that is the standard of umpiring we are going to get this year, a lot of people are going to be disappointed.


Every game I have watched this pre-season has left me with the same fear. The new instruction and interpretation, where the umpire is allowing much more time for the ball to be released when it is in dispute, in order to reduce the number of stoppages, is resulting in two problems.

Too much latitude is now given on the method of disposal. I reckon I see at least 10 'throws' a game now that are not picked up or ignored (presumably to allow the game to 'flow')

More importantly, the awarding of 'frees' appears to be much more arbitrary and inconsistent. They seem to be prepared to apply a less strick interpretation of the rules at times in the interests of a flowing game. This seems to often result in 1 or 2 or 3 infringements being ignored in the hope that the ball will spill loose. The danger with this is that the 'mood' of the umpire can become more important to the outcome of a game (eg. momentum umpiring; punish player/team for dissent; favourite players/teams etc ) rather than dispassionately and consistently applying the rules. I know this stuff has always happened ... my point is that they have increased the potential for that influence dramatically in my opinion

Put more simply, I think the umpire has been given more scope for interpretation now and that will lead to less consistency and more tears.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:53 am 
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BV wrote: our propensity to favour the pockets when the corridor is available.
:thanks:

I agree - gave me the sheits while I was there. We looked so much better when we went down the corridor - why don't the players (and coaches) realise this?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:12 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Some people here crowing about modern football clearly don't know how to watch modern football. Our zones are there, but they are a bit poor. The problem was how we defended the corridor portion from 40 - 60 m from goal. Didn't try to force Adelaide wide a great deal and a good side will just have their mids run in and score from 45 m.


I think this is a very good assessment .... and I have enjoyed your other posts about the game.

The thing that frustrated me most yesterday was how consistently our forward movements ended up on the boundary line on the 50m arc (usually out of bounds). Not sure that it was always Crows pressure as much as our natural tendency.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:25 am 
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Scotland ok, taken off as a precaution. Good for Rnd1, according to The Age. Good news.


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Although jimmae I think your report gave me diabetes.

:lol:

When there's premiership points on the line and they serve up some of this stuff, I will savage them. ;)

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TheBluesMuse wrote:
Jim and BV you are my favourite posters when it comes to actually posting about Footy...so don't piss each other off I want you both here posting with enthusiasm. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'ts all about me....you see :smile: :smile:


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:12 am 
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blue in the face wrote:
Jez1966 wrote:
If that is the standard of umpiring we are going to get this year, a lot of people are going to be disappointed.


Every game I have watched this pre-season has left me with the same fear. The new instruction and interpretation, where the umpire is allowing much more time for the ball to be released when it is in dispute, in order to reduce the number of stoppages, is resulting in two problems.

Too much latitude is now given on the method of disposal. I reckon I see at least 10 'throws' a game now that are not picked up or ignored (presumably to allow the game to 'flow')

More importantly, the awarding of 'frees' appears to be much more arbitrary and inconsistent. They seem to be prepared to apply a less strick interpretation of the rules at times in the interests of a flowing game. This seems to often result in 1 or 2 or 3 infringements being ignored in the hope that the ball will spill loose. The danger with this is that the 'mood' of the umpire can become more important to the outcome of a game (eg. momentum umpiring; punish player/team for dissent; favourite players/teams etc ) rather than dispassionately and consistently applying the rules. I know this stuff has always happened ... my point is that they have increased the potential for that influence dramatically in my opinion

Put more simply, I think the umpire has been given more scope for interpretation now and that will lead to less consistency and more tears.


Forward this post to the AFL because Geisha wouldn't agree with anything blatantly true.

Umpires are the new stars of the game :garthp:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:45 am 
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With a winning score of just 83 points, 3 goals is a dominant display...

When is the Irishman going to get some @#$%&! kudos around here? :mad:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:24 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Some people here crowing about modern football clearly don't know how to watch modern football. Our zones are there, but they are a bit poor. The problem was how we defended the corridor portion from 40 - 60 m from goal. Didn't try to force Adelaide wide a great deal and a good side will just have their mids run in and score from 45 m.

Most of everything else being said here is a complete exaggeration.


It's good to see that you're still a condescending upstart Jim. :lol:

FWIW, I thought both teams would be less than impressed with the game.
Both coaches tried plenty of moves including Anderson spending a large portion of the game tagging Goodwin in the middle.
Judd spent a fair bit of time early up forward and actually started the second half off half back.

Murph was rusty as expected, as was Waite.
Interestingly Henderrson was mentioned as a minor contributor in the hun report but I thought he was excellent. He beat Bock on the lead numerous times and when Rutten had a run on him as well, he continued to win the ball. The best aspect was his defensive work. The Crows base their game on drawing the opposition and giving the ball by hand and Carlton played into their hands beautifully. Henderson was extremely effective because he applied pressure from behind the ball carrier which is the best way to break them down.

As others have stated, Judd was good when required, Kruez was fantastic around the ground but I thought the Crows were effective at the centre bounces.
Their ability to protect the area from 4o'clock to 8 o'clock was fantastic and their ruckmen continually fed the ball into that area for their mids to win. Especially Goodwin.
No doubt Ratts will look back on the tapes and see areas to work on. The Crows ruckmen would stand at 5 'clock to feed the ball backwards but when he stood at 7 o'clock, the mids knew to protect the area forward of the circle and Douglas or Petrenko would run in from half forward to win the ball which had been smashed forward.
The Crows may be boring to watch at times but their discipline and understanding of their game style is terrific to watch.

Our backline worked reasonably well again and Jamo is rarely beaten. I thought JR was good again and Bower had a fair game.

The main areas to work on for me are our continued slowness of transition. Both offensive and defensive and our propensity to favour the pockets when the corridor is available. Henderson has a real issue with this which amazes me. He has the ability to command the corridor more and he should be instructed to do so. Several times over the past 3 games I've watched, he has lead out wide when there is space available up the middle. Perhaps it's confidence but he should be instructed to control that area of the ground. He showed today against top quality opposition that he has the tools to play that role. His efforts really filled me with confidence today.

Walker tried hard, Yarran showed a real willingness to apply pressure and Eddie was a livewire. He still needs to take responsibility to kick goals when inside 50. Too often he passes off to a low % option when the goal is on.
I thought Robbo was excellent, as was Gibbs.
AJ had a dip but he was too loose on Petrenko.

For the Crows, Dangerfield is great to watch and is almost untackleable. (If that's a word)

Lots of work to do but at least we're trying different structures. I thought the umpiring was OK and it was our lack of discipline that cost us free kicks and 50s. Not poor decisions by the umpires.


I wasn't at the game but listened on the radio (which was hilarious :lol: ). This post by BV is excellent and was a great read. Thanks BV :thumbsup:

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Scotland ok, taken off as a precaution. Good for Rnd1, according to The Age. Good news.


Excellent :thumbsup:

We badly need the experience of the likes of Scotland for 22 games this year. The youngsters will be up and down with form and Scotland is one of the players who could help steady the ship.

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Just went to the hun website to read the match report. Anyone else noticed on our page that the top headline is STILL the banning of the "Booze Cruise 3"? Purely accidental, I'm sure.

On the report itself (VISY Park must be burning down if all they say is true) I had to laugh at this:
"Where Brett Ratten had only Setanta O'hAilpin and Lachie Henderson, Neil Craig had this decade's next megastar in Kurt Tippett."
Clearly listening to the radio broadcast Jon Ralph was.

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