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| Author: | CarltonClem [ Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | What do we want at the Blues? Something like this... |
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 23517.html Note what Craig says re: the following: Quote: "We give our players security, and that's good, but we have to make sure the other, negative aspect of it won't infiltrate people's minds. I want people here to actually value playing the game, to really value and cherish it. That's the psychology we want to develop." How many of guys are actually having fun on the track and out on the paddock? Some seem to be just going through the motions because they get paid to do so. Quote: He has identified precisely the type of player he wants - self-starters who can handle adversity and who want to be good, regular players.
That's what we want at Carlton. And there aren't that many who seem to be doing this. Simpson and Fisher are the two that spring to mind, along with Walker and Murphy. Betts apparently showed glimpses last night - but that's what we want. Having said that, I doubt we could get to what Adelaide is doing with some of the leadership at the club. I'm not just talking the Anthony Koutoufides' and the Lance Whitnall's etc etc, I'm talking from the coaching staff. Denis should take a look at what Neil Craig does. The coaching philosophy has to change. You can't just be tough and carry a big stick without a carrot. At the moment, it seems Pagan just carries the stick and has no carrot. Whatever happened to basic positive reinforcement teaching strategies? |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:20 am ] |
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We do have a Carrots and he is an integral part of this football team. |
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| Author: | Taff [ Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:23 am ] |
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I do agree with your sentiments Carlton Clem. Remember Craig's background - athlete management and communication are his strengths. Perceptions are a reality and as an avid reader of this and other forums I suspect our coach may not be quite in the same league as Ian Craig. |
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| Author: | CORNUTO [ Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:17 am ] |
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Taff wrote: I do agree with your sentiments Carlton Clem. Remember Craig's background - athlete management and communication are his strengths. Perceptions are a reality and as an avid reader of this and other forums I suspect our coach may not be quite in the same league as Ian Craig.
You mean the former Test cricket captain?? |
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| Author: | Taff [ Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:05 pm ] |
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Woops! No, the other guy who lives in Adelaide! |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:15 pm ] |
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Pagan can't change the mindset of the group overnight but I think as we saw at this years draft Carlton have gone for leaders, kids with the right attitude. Flint was the shining example of this. A smallish key defender who was not outstanding, but is said to have all the leadership and work ethic values we need at this club. |
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| Author: | dannyboy [ Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:45 pm ] |
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yes but i think we are in the NOW mode, no more rebuilding, we've had a gutful. |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:48 am ] |
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dannyboy wrote: yes but i think we are in the NOW mode, no more rebuilding, we've had a gutful.
The others have had a gutful. |
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| Author: | dannyboy [ Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:25 am ] |
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I was referring to 'The Others' cue scary music........ And an image of tommi emerging out of the mist. Deano leans against a darknened wall, a light catches his face. EB stands over a dead body holding a smoking gun..... CK sits at a lonely kicthen table sharpeneing an axe. Headless verbs staggers around behind him. Be scared... Be very scared! cue Jaws music....... Synbad appears! Does BV ride shotgun? Carlton God's part, sadly, lays on the editing floor.... |
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| Author: | london blue [ Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:50 am ] |
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oh dannyboy the voice of hope and dreams....I am with you all the way. I didn't mind the Jaws original, but sure as hell got pretty tired of it during Jaws 2 and certainly by the time Jaws 3 came it was like, well anothe r poor sylvester stallone effort. Carlton Clem, with respect to Denis and his apporach i get confused with this view that he nothing but a man with a stick. I can only reflect on him being postive about his players - at least in the press. The negative stories i hear, are only about him and not from him. I think we overplay him as not being positive. I think in his own way he is very positive. At times he is too set in his thoughts about who has and who doesn't have potential which is a differnt thing. |
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| Author: | CarltonClem [ Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:00 pm ] |
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You see London, I thought that too. But when you have kids who obviously have talent and are burning it up but need time to learn the caper in the faster pace of AFL, then I don't see much positivity there at all. All I see is, "you guys aren't ready for this" - if the kids are positive and their attitude is good, they'll see it as a challenge. But when they're played for 20 mins, then dropped just because the team gets smashed, then I really don't see the point there. JR is a case in point. |
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| Author: | dannyboy [ Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:17 pm ] |
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and against that case is AB Simmo Fisher Carrots T-Bird Waite Tex and maybe this year we'll a few from add JR Murph Kennedy Bower Edwards Setanta Hartlett Bryan I mean its not as if we aren't playing kids, just not all of them - maybe because these kids need to be managed not just all tossed in and see who sinks and who swims. |
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| Author: | Cazzesman [ Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:55 pm ] |
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Has anyone realised what team was playing on Friday night Those that missed were the ones plenty of people love to bag on here so you should be happy. No Davies, Livo, Prenda, Banno and only a little bit of Sporn. Aren't these the names most of you say aren't up to the AFL. What more can the club do at this time. Murphy got a whole game Isn't that a changing of the guard to some extent. Those who didn't make the team but who will push for a spot infront of those above in the near future include Setanta, Saddo, Big Josh, JR, Bear, Bower & Harts. On yesterdays form Longmuir is also going to push for selection. CFC is just starting to make players earn a spot rather than just turn up and get a game. That makes a big difference. Regards Cazzesman |
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| Author: | Mickstar [ Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:10 pm ] |
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Glad you included Longmuir Cazz.Far better footballer than given credit for by the majority of TCer's.Longmuir has talent,can play,and when he gets it together will wreak havoc on the forward line.When the midfield comes good,everything else will fall into place. |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:26 pm ] |
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There's a good reason why 1st year and 2nd year drafts are not playing in the seniors till they're well and truly into their apprentiship....they are too young, mentally and physically. Mentally lacking, because they lack experience and the know how against bigger bodies. Experienced players with bigger bodies and experience know how to damage those with smalller bodies. Physically; we all know that if your body isn't strong enough you will brushed aside by the bigger bodies and more experienced players who know the caper, and probably end up injured. What worries me about our young blokes getting injured is that they miss out on game time, and that means missing out on the experiece they need to gain during their apprentiship. It is the Judds, Cooneys, Balls, Delidios (Top Drafts), that may make it in their first year, and that has been a recent phenomena....and sometimes they don't (Hodge) in their first year. As Mickstar points out, and I have said all along that when our midfield develops...[ in strength and in depth]...everything will fall into place. This is why Simmo, Carrots and Walker are now finding their feet. Livo, Prenda, Banno and Sporn are not midfielders, and can't really help us in there anyway. Give the kids a taste, give them a feel, but don't throw them to the lions. I don't know if 20 mins is enough, as IMO JR's 2 mins last year was a waste of time too. Don't expect too much, yeah give them a challenge, but don't expect our young guys to be ready to play against men in their 1st and 2nd year, and don't leave them out there for the whole year, because they will burn out and offer us nothing after 6-10 rounds. This brings me to the point about 2006 list. The list is the list and we can't change that. We can't turn an 18, 19, 20 yo kid into a 23, 24, and 25 yo player. That's why we will need the so called hasbeens, to get us through this long year. Everyone has a role to play on our list this year...it's up to the coaching staff to do the right thing by all, and manage the list and selections effectively. Some players might not be ready till they hit 25; that also happens. Our list looks good, and will get better with age and experience regardless of the fact that may mean The BullAnts. They will be ready soon. Patience. We all know that our list points in the right direction. It's a journey not for the faint hearted. |
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| Author: | Wojee [ Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:55 pm ] |
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bondiblue wrote: It is the Judds, Cooneys, Balls, Delidios (Top Drafts), that may make it in their first year, and that has been a recent phenomena....and sometimes they don't (Hodge) in their first year.
Cooney was a bit haphazard in his first season as well, took until his 2nd to really settle and play well consistently. |
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