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Author:  7dominator [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:51 am ]
Post subject:  Stephen Kernahan
I recall writing a piece on TBV at the time of the Carlton1 challenge, questioning the role of Sticks and his part in the debacle.My view was that as a Director/Chairman of selectors in the Elliot administration he was part and parcel of the sham.

Four years on,it is fair to ask again just what has his contribution been?
To my mind he should never have sought re-election during the upheaval.

Stephen may be a great bloke and he was a champion Footballer but that does not hold him above criticism.If we are to move ahead i am afraid that the former champion #4 should step off the Board!
Author:  Mrs Caz [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:57 am ]
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I believe you had a few supporters as well, 7dom.
Author:  7dominator [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:06 am ]
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Mrs Caz wrote:
I believe you had a few supporters as well, 7dom.

I recall that Mrs Caz.Unfortunately icon status can leave someone above criticism.

Whilst Wes Loft had his faults he certainly would'nt have tolerated the rubbish from some players in recent years!
Author:  Synbad [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:25 am ]
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No way sould Kernahan be allowed to continue that role .

Someone will be brought in to take that role and a couple of others.
Sticks just doesnt have the nouse...
Plus he is too matsey with too many ..

And he has done a couple of things in the last couple of months that are embarassing..(stupidity)
Author:  Deano Supremo [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:31 am ]
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Synbad wrote:
And he has done a couple of things in the last couple of months that are embarassing..(stupidity)


What's he done Synbad?

(serious question - not trying to bait you or questioning your post)
Author:  dannyboy [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:54 am ]
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I would like to see Sticks retire gracefully, maybe take two or three years off from the club, come back later if he wants to.
Author:  TheGame [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:59 am ]
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What does he do wrong?
Author:  Deano Supremo [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:02 am ]
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TheGame wrote:
What does he do wrong?


That's what I want to know. There's no probs with calling for people's heads, as long as we know why.

I'm not an advocate of change for change's sake.
Author:  TheGame [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:05 am ]
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7dom wrote
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My view was that as a Director/Chairman of selectors in the Elliot administration he was part and parcel of the sham.


Answer is there Deano, he was one of Jack's mates. Now that we can't keep blaming Jack anymore lets blame his mates.
Author:  Deano Supremo [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:10 am ]
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I don't have a problem with that, but surely we should have ditched him when we ditched Jack if that's the case.

Is there a statute of limitations on being mates with Jack Elliott?
Author:  Elwood Blues1 [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stephen Kernahan
7dominator wrote:
I recall writing a piece on TBV at the time of the Carlton1 challenge, questioning the role of Sticks and his part in the debacle.My view was that as a Director/Chairman of selectors in the Elliot administration he was part and parcel of the sham.

Four years on,it is fair to ask again just what has his contribution been?
To my mind he should never have sought re-election during the upheaval.

Stephen may be a great bloke and he was a champion Footballer but that does not hold him above criticism.If we are to move ahead i am afraid that the former champion #4 should step off the Board!


I'll go along with those statements and have been suggesting for a while he needs to move on...
Author:  Deano Supremo [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:27 am ]
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Fair enough, but it still appears to be a case of change for changes sake.

What exactly has he done wrong?
Author:  Wojee [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:29 am ]
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Deano Supremo wrote:
Fair enough, but it still appears to be a case of change for changes sake.


Which in itself may not be such a bad idea given how the club is travelling


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What exactly has he done wrong?


Maybe he's just not doing much of anything, not that I have any idea.
Author:  TheGame [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:31 am ]
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I think he may have pushed to retain Lance.
Author:  Deano Supremo [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:32 am ]
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Wojee wrote:
Deano Supremo wrote:
Fair enough, but it still appears to be a case of change for changes sake.


Which in itself may not be such a bad idea given how the club is travelling


Quote:
What exactly has he done wrong?


Maybe he's just not doing much of anything, not that I have any idea.


I don't have a problem with any of that. Given that Kenny and Swan have just stood down isn't that enough change?

I'd like to know what Stick's has done wrong or what it is exactly that he isn't doing before putting his head on the chopping block.
Author:  Jarusa [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:33 am ]
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Also, if the club is going to benefit, there needs to be someone to come in who will be just as good and hopefully better and willing to do the job in the first place.

So far no suggestions have been made, I'm not against kernahan going per se, but only if the alternative is going to benefit the club.
Author:  TruBlueBrad [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:34 am ]
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Deano Supremo wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Deano Supremo wrote:
Fair enough, but it still appears to be a case of change for changes sake.


Which in itself may not be such a bad idea given how the club is travelling


Quote:
What exactly has he done wrong?


Maybe he's just not doing much of anything, not that I have any idea.


I don't have a problem with any of that. Given that Kenny and Swan have just stood down isn't that enough change?

I'd like to know what Stick's has done wrong or what it is exactly that he isn't doing before putting his head on the chopping block.


I agree Deano. I adore the big fella, but if he's not helping them its time to go....but if this is the case then I'd like to know it is he is or isn't doing.

I don't really expect you'll get an answer
Author:  Blue Vain [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:37 am ]
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The environment created within the club is the issue.
Sticks should be used in a marketing capacity dealing with sponsors or the media.
He doesnt have involvement for his own benefit, he does it because he is a loyal servant of the club.

Where the problem is created is people within the organisation take advantage of Kernahans loyalty to progress their own agendas.
Why do you believe he is part of the MC?
Do you think Sticks would say "No Denis, I dont agree with that"?
Anyone who knows Sticks knows he is loyal to those around him to the bitter end.

The same situation occurs within the board. Kernahan will give loyalty to the board and those on it without doubt.
Thats why he stuck with the incumbents last time.

If the club was fair dinkum they'd give Sticks a role which benefits the club.
The trouble is too many want him to benefit themselves.

We cant keep throwing out good Carlton people who are willing to help.
Author:  Wojee [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:37 am ]
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Deano Supremo wrote:
I don't have a problem with any of that. Given that Kenny and Swan have just stood down isn't that enough change?


Time will tell I guess. If they're replaced with people with genuinely fresh ideas then it probably will be.


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I'd like to know what Stick's has done wrong or what it is exactly that he isn't doing before putting his head on the chopping block.


I have no idea.
Author:  Deano Supremo [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:47 am ]
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It's a tough one, 'cos Sticks will never do any wrong in my eyes. I love him like a Father.

That being said, if there is reason enough for him to step aside I'm all for it. But calling for his head just for the sake of it doesn't make sense to me...
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