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How do you rate the boards performance?
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Author:  Carlton God [ Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:12 pm ]
Post subject:  How do you rate the boards performance?
How do you rate the current board? Obviously I’m writing this on the run, I’m Carlton God an extremely busy person, and may forget some criteria. I’m sure I’ll be amused at what you lot think about how the board should be rated, so give it your best shot.

Financials
Impossible to tell to be honest. We always hear about record losses year after year, obviously wrote everything off in initial year to make the previous administration look as bad as possible. I thought we were meant to be a million dollars a year better off after moving to Telstra Dome? Nice one Collo. Collingwood won five games and still recorded a $2 million profit, we can’t expect this but not winning games doesn’t have to result in big losses each year. Score 4/10

Memberships
Record membership? I don’t care, it’s built on the back of scare tactics – “the club will go broke’, ‘Carlton will die’ etc etc. This board couldn’t generate any genuine excitement if their life depended on it. I’m expecting a huge slump in memberships next year, we will do well to break 30,000. There are just too many disillusioned supporters with the lack of direction the club is showing. Score 3/10

Football side
The board does have to take some responsibility for this, they had the chance to fight the draft penalties – it was too difficult. Before being elected they say rubbish like “If they can’t get a game for the premiership side why would we recruit them?â€
Author:  fevolaaaa [ Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:16 pm ]
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Financials - Don't know either, I'll go with 3/10 simply on results

Membership - It's high and we've been crap, 7/10

Football side - Very much the board's fault for not making the tough decisions 3/10. Keeping Whitnall immeasurably disappointing

Marketing - Very deservedly 0/10. Absolutely pathetic. I should go into minus figures. All the idiot at the top does is constantly tarnish the brand name by ripping into us.

13/40. Time to go as soon as there's ANY sort of replacement
Author:  Wangers [ Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:22 pm ]
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Financials - Don't know either, I'll go with 3/10 simply on results

Membership - 6/10 should be higher the figures

Football side - 2/10. Cannot make tough decisions, too safe and doesn't align with the long term strategy. Culture around the club needs a drastic change.

Marketing - 0/10. We are just rabble when it comes to this department - we need proper exposure and are in urgent need of re-launching the brand

Total score: 11/40
Author:  Wojee [ Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:44 pm ]
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Financials - They were left a train wreck and have tried to clean up the mess as best they could. Hamstrung by salary cap fines as well as the ludicrous situation of having to cut player salaries or be over the cap again. Sponsors are jumping off because onfield we stink and other clubs are able to give better value for the sponsorship dollar.

Membership - We're doing OK for a team that isn't winning many games although we've got a lot of catching up to do to be regarded as a worthy "Big 4" club.

Football side - Inherited a list that was non-competitive and full of players who didn't give a shit. The loss of picks has set the club back a couple of years, and poor list management for the last several years has finally come to a head. Picking up rejects from other clubs has been neither a win nor a loss IMO. Any kids we'd picked up for the picks we gave up would have much the same effect on the team's onfield performance, not much.

Marketing - We don't seem to be very proactive in this area. We're lagging terribly behind the likes of Collingwood whose entire focus almost seems to be on marketing.

No scores because it isn't an Olympic event.
Author:  The Tyrant [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:42 am ]
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The Estonian judge...... agrees.

One of the least well managed football clubs going around.

No direction. No clout. No money. No idea

The only thing keeping this club alive is us.... not the magical leadership of the board, or Denis Pagan, or Michael Malouf.
Author:  TheGame [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:50 am ]
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They are going great. Showed they had balls by threatening to trade a guy who is contracted. Wonder how tough they would have acted had Fev not been signed up.
Author:  gerry atric [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:55 am ]
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I think wojee has got it right.

Comparisons with C'wood are a bit off the mark. We are about where the woods were in 99. They played in 02/03 gfs, so over last four years have been miles more successful than us. And we don't have Channel 9 spruiking for us. Inherited shocking financial position, playing list and contract situation and seem to have handled it okay.

Collo is a hard man but has no charisma, be good to have someone on the board who can play the media game a bit, but let's face it we are a terrible side and it is hard to promote that.

I think they have done okay with the list. Retained what talent we have while sending some clear messages, broken the cycle of Elliott inspired super contracts.

We are going to be in trouble as long as our team can't play, but we have a large support and the bandwagon will start rolling over the next couple of years.

And let's forget terms like our 'brand'. I barrack for a footy team, not a corporate logo. Its CFC not KFC, promote it as a footy team not a commercial brand and we may market better.
Author:  lucablue [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:44 am ]
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Carlton Dog wrote:
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I’m writing this on the run, I’m Carlton God an extremely busy person, and may forget some criteria.

I'm an extremely busy man, I have to tidy up the kids DVD & video drawer. Don't have time to read your dribble Carlton Dog!
Author:  JohnM [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:07 pm ]
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Financials
None of us know, so it's beyond foolish to even comment. Suffice to say, however, that sorting out the financial mess we've been in would be just about the worst job in football. I don't envy them.

Membership
You can't argue with the numbers, especially given our poor onfield performances. Expect a drop this season, but a good performance overall. The supporters should take much of the credit for this, however.

Onfield Performance
The team's performance onfield suggests a club that isn't united in its focus and vision. Yes, we lack talent. But on several occasions it's seemed that we've also lacked the will to fight. Not good, and potentially symptomatic of broader problems.

Marketing
Poor, but the club isn't on its lonesome here. Many clubs do a bad job. The fact that there are no marketing professionals on the board, coupled with the board's unwillingness or inability to pay good people to do the job, is telling. Very much need to improve in this area.

The Vibe
You know, that sense of energy and enthusiasm and drive that we all like to feel coming from the club. It just isn't there, and it's because our Pres. is Mr.Dour himself, our coach has mastered the art of saying nothing at all times, his support staff are invisible, our players look dispirited and everyone compares everyone else to Eddie McGuire. Vibe is poor.

Work Ethic
Let's not forget that these guys are doing this job for free, and at the moment it'd have to be a thoroughly unpleasant job at that. So kudos for the guys who've put their hands up, and well done for jumping in when the club needed you most.

Conclusion
Where's Mike Fitzpatrick when we need him?
Author:  therubbernub [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:22 pm ]
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Where's Mike Fitzpatrick when we need him?


Wheres the fighting spirit that got rid of Elliot gone?
Author:  ballistic blues [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:44 pm ]
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WHAT THE HELL WOULD ANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT RUNNING A FOOTBALL CLUB. HAVE ANY OF YOU EVEN BEEN INVOLVED IN A CLUB I DOUBT IT.

SERIOUSLY GUYS SHUT THE HELL UP, YOU MAKE ME SICK
Author:  therubbernub [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:55 pm ]
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WHAT THE HELL WOULD ANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT RUNNING A FOOTBALL CLUB. HAVE ANY OF YOU EVEN BEEN INVOLVED IN A CLUB I DOUBT IT.


Most AFL presidents come to the job without experience. That makes them just about even with all of us when they start. Some intuitively know what to do, others dont.....
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:07 pm ]
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ballistic blues wrote:
WHAT THE HELL WOULD ANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT RUNNING A FOOTBALL CLUB. HAVE ANY OF YOU EVEN BEEN INVOLVED IN A CLUB I DOUBT IT.

SERIOUSLY GUYS SHUT THE HELL UP, YOU MAKE ME SICK


A lot of people here have experiences in various management and administration roles.

A footy club is a business, with many similarities to other similarly sized operations and businesses, so as such, a lot of people here are quite qualified to comment.
Author:  Electric Blue [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:28 pm ]
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Financials - 4/10 Nothing new, no innovations.

Membership - 8/10 a record result, you cant fault too much.

Football side - 2/10. No real signs of change.

Marketing - 2/10 SHit, but hard to make sculptures from poo.


Total score: 16/40
Author:  The Tyrant [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:39 pm ]
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ballistic blues wrote:
WHAT THE HELL WOULD ANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT RUNNING A FOOTBALL CLUB. HAVE ANY OF YOU EVEN BEEN INVOLVED IN A CLUB I DOUBT IT.

SERIOUSLY GUYS SHUT THE HELL UP, YOU MAKE ME SICK


Collo... is that you?? how's the garden?
Author:  Electric Blue [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:05 pm ]
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ballistic blues wrote:
WHAT THE HELL WOULD ANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT RUNNING A FOOTBALL CLUB. HAVE ANY OF YOU EVEN BEEN INVOLVED IN A CLUB I DOUBT IT.

SERIOUSLY GUYS SHUT THE HELL UP, YOU MAKE ME SICK


Extensive experience actually.

Mind you you've probably got a fair point, and eloquently made too, if I might say!
Author:  79Vintage [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:58 pm ]
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There are two things a football club can do that determine everything about their existence. You either win matches or lose matches, you're off field performance is determined by your onfield success. So whatever board we have is going to have difficult times until we succeed on the football field.

Looking at our last ten years, after '95 Elliott and Parkin's formula for continuing our success was woeful on and off field. As was what our recruiters were able to do with what they had left over.

People may say look at Collingwood's last two seasons and say they failed on the field but succeeded off it, but look at how Eddie used the momentum of two Grand Final apearances to achieve what he wanted off the field. Not to perfection but laying great foundations. Our board tried to do the MCG deal but the AFL wouldn't accept it, while the foundations Elliott left could not have been worse.

Hawthorn have decided to fail in the short term to succeed in the long term, which the media seem to have bought for the present. So they may be an exception to my rule, but we at Carlton are definitely not.

Let's face it, the Melbourne media thrive on our failure and question the board's every move. Perception growingly seems to be our board's greatest concern, when this needs to be balanced with whether they are making the right decisions for our future. Maybe they are trying to balance on field competitiveness with looking to the future, but as Synbad/Blue Vain and many have said, their handling of the Fevola signing then possible trading, was woeful, as was the publicity of the handling of Lance's contract.

Maybe they were sticking to the contract guidelines, but you have to consider whether the $50 000 Lance didn't get on his contract was
$50 000 of bad publicity? To many this may not seem the case now, but if we don't improve on the field soon, which looks likely, for the rest of their career's Lance and Fevola will be seen as the players Carlton could have traded to for benefit in the future. Give the Elliott year's players close to what they want, ie. feed the animals how they are used to being fed but to the young players ( ie. all our list bar five) and players who are recruited to the club say these are our guidelines for future contracts.

Another problem is Denis won't discuss contracts publicly, Collo and the board won't discuss contracts, but Malouf who makes decisions on players under instruction from others does. It's bad business, fair enough Collo can't discuss contracts because of his rep, but someone on the board should be the spokesperson and appear responsible for our contract decsions. Andrew Demetriou speaks for the AFL on big issues, while Ben Buckley and Adrian Anderson both speak for their fields of responsiblity. The people who make the decsions for the club should speak, not our bean counter - it gives the damaging perception - the bean counter is speaking, so it will always be about the beans at Carlton. My problem isn't with Malouf, it's that there is no one on the board seemingly capable to speak publicly on important matters.

Football club finances aren't about making money per se, it's about at least breaking even while maximising on field success, improving the facilites for the players and the members, and improving the status of your brand.

If well qualified fresh business and football blood is not brought onto the Carlton Board in the next year, I'm really of the mind that the Carlton internet communities should develop our own ticket for the board in 2006. It may sound ludicrious to some, but knowing many people, I know, bar Collo - we could match the skills of the current board. We should go to them with this notion in July '06 and say this is what we'll do unless 4 or 5 of you are replaced with better qualified people. I know from the quality of the responses of many people, we understand public relations far and away better than the Carlton board. Apply the pressure on the board to move to get better people involved, if there aren't any willing, well this is a great and monumental problem

The best we can do for '06 promotion, is to forget Fev as the face of Carlton, but promote our team as teams amongst teams - our forward team, our on ball team, our back team and our new generation team. Tell and promote the players as teams within a team and that's how they will play and be publicly percieved. If they play shit, then get on the front foot with the media, show some aggression, say Carlton will always be questioned whatever we do, so well stand as one as Carlton people developing success in the most dynamic form possible. Currently, we are just plasticine in the media's hands, regardless of the information members of the board feed certain prominent journalists.

Having said all this, the most important thing we can do is recruit high standard footballers with exemplary attitudes. Marc Murphy and another with pick 4 in '05 & Mitchell Thorp plus others in '06, are what we will turn this club around. I believe the current board understand this, but they are just weighted down by the experience of three very difficult years and are in a holding pattern until it eventuates - they have to show resolve and innovation or move in younger and more experienced professionals who can.
Author:  phoenix johnson [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:14 pm ]
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If well qualified fresh business and football blood is not brought onto the Carlton Board in the next year, I'm really of the mind that the Carlton internet communities should develop our own ticket for the board in 2006. It may sound ludicrious to some, but knowing many people, I know, bar Collo - we could match the skills of the current board. We should go to them with this notion in July '06 and say this is what we'll do unless 4 or 5 of you are replaced with better qualified people. I know from the quality of the responses of many people, we understand public relations far and away better than the Carlton board. Apply the pressure on the board to move to get better people involved, if there aren't any willing, well this is a great and monumental problem


That would be something worth seeing, I reckon.

But who from here would be willing to give up their time, and more importantly, their current jobs to takeup a position on the board?
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:40 pm ]
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phoenix johnson wrote:
But who from here would be willing to give up their time, and more importantly, their current jobs to takeup a position on the board?


I'd do it, especially if it meant the club paid for tickets at least once a month to see the boys play, and to be down there for board meetings.

And why should one have to give up one's job to take up a position on a board? Some people are "professional board-members", and juggle the responsibilities of several boards at any one time.
Author:  phoenix johnson [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:46 pm ]
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I was more or less thinking along the lines of what sort of salary does a board member recieve.

I could think of a number of people on here who would be great for the board as they have their finger on the pulse. People like GWS, BV, Synbad, BlueMark, 79Vintage are a few names that spring to mind.
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