My assessment of the each current Carlton player on the senior list .Its IMO so don’t get upset if you don’t agree.

Bannister – Gone Didn’t improve on his first season and the fact is Essendon* were right just as we were with Murphy.

Bentick – Keep . Not as enthused about him as some people and next season will be the making or braking of him.Pace a concern and want to see him play every game in the 1’s next year just not the last half dozen.

Betts – Keep. Good first year and think he will be a very good player in the right team. Thought his chasing out of the forward line was better than any other Carlton player this year.

Blackwell – Keep has only just completed his first year apprentership.

Bowyer – Gone. Try’s hard and you have to admire him but sadly he is only a good VFL footballer. Hopefully a bullant target next year.

Byran – Have to keep him but will have to improve a lot and add some strings to his bow.Is only a good vfl ruckmen at this stage.

Campo – Gone. Been good for both parties but time to move on. Never took the next step when we needed it most.

Carrazo – Keep good second season but has to work hard next year to take the next step.

Chambers – Keep only because he is contracted and there are other players ready for the chop before him.Will need a huge pre season as there are absolute no excuses next year

Clarke – Gone Its not to often that a player leaves his original club to the cheers of his supporters and become a hero at another.

Davies – Keep but borderline at best. Looks and plays lazy and this year was very disappointing for him.

Deluca – Keep but again next year will be the making or braking of him.Was disappointed early in the season before injured with the amount of uncontested mark he spilt and will need to improve this if he is to be a success.

Fevola – Keep I don’t care what anybody says but he is our most genuine match winner on the list at the moment.Dissapointing year yet still kicked 50 so there is huge upside to this man.

Byran – Have to keep him but will have to improve a lot and add some strings to his bow.Is only a good vfl ruckmen at this stage but showed some good signs.

Fisher – Keep though his return from injury was quite good and look forward to seeing some more big grabs in the forward line next year.Think he wil be a genuine weapon in years to come.

French – Keep but only because he is the best option at the moment. Tries hard but fact is 30 year old that is not going to get any better.

Hartlett – See Blackwell.

Houlihan – Trade. This was the year he was to make his mark and had huge expectations of him after he turned it around last year but unfortunately he returned back to his old ways. Would be happy with a 2nd round pick for him.

Johnston – Gone. Not consistent enough and pace not suited to the modern day game. Hopefully in the bullant jumper next year.

Kouta – Last year next year in a reduced capacity.

Lappin – Keep but only on a 1 year contract because if he plays the same next year he will be Gone.

Livingston – Keep only because contracted to next year. I know some people still hold out great hope for him but unfortunately I just think he is not good enough. Given him every chance with 5 years at the club and he hasn’t delivered. Need backmen that unlike livo can take a good grab and don’t panic when they get the ball.

Longmuir – Keep due to contract but I don’t think he is good enough.Two previous clubs and at the age of 25 I don’t think he is all of a sudden going to become a good afl player.

M’Grath Keep. Reasonable without been outstanding.Cruch year next year.

Morell – Gone . Outstanding VFL player and nothing more.Target him as Bullant captain next year.

Norman – Gone. What a waste of talent and times up.

Prenda – Gone. Given every chance over the years and when he stopped improving he was always going to be in trouble.

Raso/Russell – See Blackwell.

Scotland – Keep . Has to add a defensive side to his game to take the next step.

Simspon – Keep . Stood up this year and could be a real asset in years to come.

Sporn – Gone. Showed glimpses in his early years but that’s been about it.To slow and not the type of player we need going forward.

Stevens – Keep. Has to become more of a leader on the field and become more consistent.

Teague – Keep but just. Disappointing year and needs a big year next year or in trouble. Pace a real concern.

Thornton – Keep. Not as good as some think but goes about it the right way and if he isn’t the key defender will be a very useful player.

Waite – Keep. One of our few potential champions on the list.

Walker – Keep. Will be a player but have to be patient.

Whitnall – Trade. Can’t see him been part of a Carlton premiership side so get the most for him while we can. Sure a trade will be good for both parties just like Everitt/Hall was for St Kilda.

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Bannister – Gone Didn’t improve on his first season and the fact is Essendon* were right just as we were with Murphy. Agree

Bentick – Keep Agree Bentick and Blackwell well from the Engine of our midfield over the next few years.
Betts – Keep. Good first year and think he will be a very good player in the right team. Thought his chasing out of the forward line was better than any other Carlton player this year. Agree

Blackwell – Keep has only just completed his first year apprentership. Agree


Bowyer – Gone. Try’s hard and you have to admire him but sadly he is only a good VFL footballer. Hopefully a bullant target next year. Disagree At the Moment this guys provide more leadership and application than our leadership group. The club need guys like this around the club.

Byran – Have to keep him but will have to improve a lot and add some strings to his bow.Is only a good vfl ruckmen at this stage. Agree


Campo – Gone. Been good for both parties but time to move on. Never took the next step when we needed it most. Agree


Carrazo – Keep Agree Rotating through the midfield with Bentick, Blackwell and the back pocket will see them forming the core of our midfield.

Chambers – Keep only because he is contracted and there are other players ready for the chop before him.Will need a huge pre season as there are absolute no excuses next year Agree


Clarke – Gone Its not to often that a player leaves his original club to the cheers of his supporters and become a hero at another. Agree


Davies – Keep but borderline at best. Looks and plays lazy and this year was very disappointing for him. Agree


Deluca – Keep but again next year will be the making or braking of him.Was disappointed early in the season before injured with the amount of uncontested mark he spilt and will need to improve this if he is to be a success.Agree


Fevola – Keep I don’t care what anybody says but he is our most genuine match winner on the list at the moment.Dissapointing year yet still kicked 50 so there is huge upside to this man. Agree


Byran – Have to keep him but will have to improve a lot and add some strings to his bow.Is only a good vfl ruckmen at this stage but showed some good signs.Agree He isnt a ruckmen though, a pinch hitting ruckmen at best. Dont mind him as floating forward though. But you can only have one. Deluca or Bryan. For mine Bryan for no other reason than he can boot the ball a mile.


Fisher – Keep though his return from injury was quite good and look forward to seeing some more big grabs in the forward line next year.Think he wil be a genuine weapon in years to come. Agree

French – Keep but only because he is the best option at the moment. Tries hard but fact is 30 year old that is not going to get any better. Agree


Hartlett – See Blackwell.Agree


Houlihan – Trade. This was the year he was to make his mark and had huge expectations of him after he turned it around last year but unfortunately he returned back to his old ways. Would be happy with a 2nd round pick for him.Agree piss him off, if he isnt getting a game at the moment, then he is no longer in our plans.


Johnston – Gone. Not consistent enough and pace not suited to the modern day game. Hopefully in the bullant jumper next year. Agree I was for keeping him around the place for no other reason than he is a harden body for the likes of Bentick, Blackwell etc.. but if anything he is preventing them from taking the next step.


Kouta – Last year next year in a reduced capacity.Disagree I hate to say it, but i would like to see him retire this year. We just dont have the capacity to cover him

Lappin – Keep but only on a 1 year contract because if he plays the same next year he will be Gone.Disagree / Agree Would keep him, but if we can get a good deal for him, trade him


Livingston – Keep only because contracted to next year. I know some people still hold out great hope for him but unfortunately I just think he is not good enough. Given him every chance with 5 years at the club and he hasn’t delivered. Need backmen that unlike livo can take a good grab and don’t panic when they get the ball.disgree compare him with many other players starting in the same year and he has played half the amount of games due to injuries. Another good pre-season, hopefully the addition of Mal Micheal to our team will see the likes of Livo and T-Bird really prosper.


Longmuir – Keep due to contract but I don’t think he is good enough.Two previous clubs and at the age of 25 I don’t think he is all of a sudden going to become a good afl player.disagree Will be a very handy marking option for us, but it depends. i woulndt be playing him ahead of the likes of FIsher.

M’Grath Keep. Reasonable without been outstanding.Cruch year next year. Agree He is the type of good ordinary players you need in a winning side.


Morell – Gone . Outstanding VFL player and nothing more.Target him as Bullant captain next year.

Norman – Gone. What a waste of talent and times up. Agree


Prenda – Gone. Given every chance over the years and when he stopped improving he was always going to be in trouble. Agree


Raso/Russell – See Blackwell. Agree


Scotland – Keep . Has to add a defensive side to his game to take the next step.

Simspon – Keep . Stood up this year and could be a real asset in years to come. Agree


Sporn – Gone. Showed glimpses in his early years but that’s been about it.To slow and not the type of player we need going forward.disAgree See Livingston - struggled with Injuries.


Stevens – Keep. Has to become more of a leader on the field and become more consistent. Agree


Teague – Keep but just. Disappointing year and needs a big year next year or in trouble. Pace a real concern. Agree to keep him, but disagree. I think to much is asked of him, put him on the third or forth best defender and he will be very very handy for us.


Thornton – Keep. Not as good as some think but goes about it the right way and if he isn’t the key defender will be a very useful player. Agree but disagree. Future captain IMO. has everything. Struggled this year due to an interrupted year with Injury.


Waite – Keep. One of our few potential champions on the list. Agree


Walker – Keep. Will be a player but have to be patient.Agree


Whitnall – Trade. Can’t see him been part of a Carlton premiership side so get the most for him while we can. Sure a trade will be good for both parties just like Everitt/Hall was for St Kilda.disagree / agree i want to keep him but if we can get a good deal for him, then see you whitnall.

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WIGGINS people....or is it a forgone conclusion that he will be staying on

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Bannister – Gone
Bentick – Keep
Betts – Keep.
Blackwell – Keep
Bowyer – Gone.
Byran – Keep
Campo – Gone.
Carrazo – Keep
Chambers – Gone
Clarke – Gone
Davies – Gone
Deluca – Keep
Fevola – Keep
Fisher – Keep
French – Keep
Hartlett – Keep
Houlihan – Gone
Johnston – Gone.
Kouta – Keep
Lappin – Gone
Livingston – Keep
Longmuir – Keep
M’Grath - Keep.
Morell – Gone
Norman – Gone.
Prenda – Gone.
Raso - Keep
Russell – Keep
Scotland – Keep .
Simspon – Keep
Sporn – Gone.
Stevens – Keep.
Teague – Keep.
Thornton – Keep.
Waite – Keep.
Walker – Keep.
Whitnall – Keep.
Wiggins - Gone

Carlos - Promoted
Smith - Re-Rookied
Aisake - Re-Rookied
Becker - Gone
Batson - Gone
Pleming - Gone

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You're wrong there. He is in our long term plans. He isn't getting a game at the moment because they want him to work on his deficiencies but he will be back. If they were looking to trade him he would be getting a game so as to maximise his trade value.

Only from what I've read in our Bullant's threads [we don't get much VFL up here], I'd be tempted to promote Smith. I like the sound of him.
Regards Pedro.

Bannister
Bowyer
Chambers
Clarke
Deluca
Johnston
Livingston
Longmuir
Prenda
Sporn
Wiggins

I wish all these guys were gone.

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Houlihan is a blouse and I can't see him changing his ways. I don't want any blouses on the list next year. I hope he's traded for a high draft pick.

I assume you mean high as in late because that will be all you'd get for him & that won't happen. He is working on changing his ways & they're prepared to persevere with him. You can hope all you like but it won't be happening. And you don't need to call him that.

For those of you predicting the removal of 14-17 players from our list can you please inform me of where we are going to get their replacements?

I understand 3-4 will come from rookies, 2-3 from trades and 1 maybe 2 from the PSD. Are you suggesting we will pick up another 8 or so players from draft day?

I understand J Hird at 80 something and Fisher at 70 something, but I am not sure of too many 50-100 game players who have been selected at no. 297 in the national draft (insert tongue-in-cheek emoticon here).

Clearly some of those marginal players will need to stay in order for us to maintain a vaguely competitive unit to enable our new stars to be slotted in with ease, rather than chuck a whole bunch of 18 year olds in at the deep end.

The realistic situation is that some 9-10 players would be culled/traded and some allowed to play out their contracts with minimal senior time (eg Clarke this year). What happens if we get a bunch of injuries and all we have to offer is a bunch of kids whose progress will be considerably retarded by being thrown into senior footy.

We desperatley need some older heads and bodies down there to guide the kids in terms of lifestyle, preparation, etc. Personally I can see Prenda being kept, Wiggins as a 50/50, and Bowyer almost a certainty.

I can't see Campo going coluntarily, same too Kouta, but I can't see the club giving them the gold watch either...

Yeah you're right BW, I don't need to call him a blouse. Everyone knows he's a blouse already.

Look for his sake I hope he can change his ways because I don't reckon I'm alone in thinking that enough is enough already with the half-arsed efforts from our senior players. I want a tough hardened playing group that takes pride in committing 100% of themselves to the contest. The days of getting away with soft performances are over. I'm sick of it.

Great summary...and I agree it is a juggle...can;t get rid of everyone without an ability to replace and I don't think we'll go down the re-run mid- aged recruits

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Delist:

Bannister
Clarke
Johnson
Sporn

Attempt to Trade:

Whitnall
Campo
Houlihan
Lappin


There's the 8.

Wiggins and Prenda are marginal.
Chambers and Longmuir stay as they are on 2 year contracts and will get the opportunity.
Bowyer stays for grunt and leadership around the club.
Kouta stays but is stripped of captaincy

We will be major players in trade week , whether we benefit or just screw around other clubs is yet to be determined.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Arguably...

Carlton's best player last Saturday: Campo
Carlton's leading goalkicker on Saturday: Digby

Do any of you guys know value?

Can't argue with Digby - he looked like one of the few that gave a shite.

With Campo, it depends how you define a BOG - how many kicks they get or what their effect on the game was (including keeping some semblance of defensive pressure on your opposite number).

Bannister – Gone.
Bentick – Keep
Betts – Keep
Blackwell – Future gun!
Bowyer – Gone, but there isn't much separating him from Teague in skill, legspeed and bravery!
Bryan – Keep as a relieving/resting ruckman
Campo – I think Synbad's summed it up.
Carrazo – Good player and terrific competitor
Chambers – Chop!
Clarke – Chop!
Davies – Trade because he's lazy like Houlihan
Deluca – Keep, still developing late.
Fevola – Keep but if there's an offer too good to refuse this year or next!
Fisher – Keep but needs to bulk up
French – Keep
Hartlett – Can't wait to see him play.
Houlihan – Trade.
Johnston – Gone
Kouta – One more year if he thinks he can stand up
Lappin – 2 year contract
Livingston – Keep and should've played on Sunday
Longmuir – keep and I've changed my tune, solid player ATM
M’Grath - one more year at the most
Morell – Gone
Norman – Trade for anything!
Prenda – Gone
Raso - Project
Russell - Will be a top player from the little I've seen.
Scotland – Keep until someone better comes along
Simspon – Will be a favourite.
Sporn – Keep, has one more year on his contract I think!
Stevens – Delist!
Teague – Keep until someone better comes along.
Thornton – Keep
Waite – Gun!
Walker – Too much is expected of Walker.
Whitnall –Trade for another top 10-15 pick if possible


Setanta O'Hailpin - Keep
Smith - Keep, but haven't seen much
Aisake O'Hailpin - Keep and better prospect than Carlos!
Becker - Haven't seen much of him
Batson - See becker
Pleming - Gone

Ricky Dyson killed him.. kicked 3 set a few others up.. and hes only 19.
YesCampo did get a few touched but had zilch effect on the game..
Meaningless stat.. "meaningless' is becoming my favourite word at the moment..
The irony is it actually does mean something...

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These players will go.

Morell - Gone

Livingstone - Gone. Trade him if any club is stupid enough to take him or pay out his contract.

Clarke

Johnson

Lapping - He will be traded or go in PSD. Looks like he has lost his passion for the Blues. Probably sick of being on the bottom.

Camporeale - Trade - He'll stay if we can't trade him.

Bowyer

Mcgrath - Average footballer. Trade him, delist him but just get rid of him.

Chambers - Looks like Sexton.... that's where the comparison ends.

Stevens - trade him to pies for picks 2 & 21 and a player.

Fevola - Trade to Hawks for pick 3 & 22 and a player.

De luca - Can't mark and no right side.

Pretenergast - Delist or trade if possible

Bannister - Delisted

Wiggins - Please Dennis, delist the dud of dud's

Carrazzo - Delist or trade. He is not the sort of player that will help lift this club back to where it belongs.

Pagan - Delist????


I would not trade Whitnall - I couldn't stomach getting rid of another player ALA Hamill and ending up with another Livingston.

We could end up with with the first 4 picks in the draft if we trade smart.

We just signed him up. I don't think we can trade him & why pay out his contract when we only just signed him up. Will be make or break next year though.



Wasn't he also just signed up?

They are both signed up but they are not up to it.... hoping they go is just wishfull thinking on my behalf.