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| Author: | CK95 [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
At some point he needs his own thread & why not now. Over the three games, what's he doing well? And at what point does inviting him to officially throw his hat into the ring become too hard to avoid? Sent from my moto g54 5G using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | jezzarules [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 9:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
He's doing ok with the benefit of the pressure release from Voss going. By not applying for the head role he's more likely to be able to stay as senior assistant without the awkward situation of having missed out. Also does the club want good candidates to not apply if Fraser has entered the race? I honestly think most decent assistants would have got a similar response from the playing group. I don't think beating Ess Rich & WCE in coming weeks materially changes the situation. A win against GWS away would be unexpected given their recent form. And to finish the season at 50% would be an incredible turnaround. Just to entertain the prospect however it will be interesting to see |
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| Author: | GreatEx [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
I think as others - probably braithy - pointed out, he has us exploiting the dumb Stand Rule and playing angled passes now often. More dare, less fear - although the latter two could also be down to the pressure release of zero expectation. So I think the credit to Fraser comes from encouraging a riskier approach. And for selecting ISON and Wilson. I'm not losing my head here because I already thought we'd beat WB without English even before the change, and the win over Geelong was down to the socks (but seriously, Voss did have the wood on them). If we get to 8-8 I'm renaming my younger son. |
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| Author: | Cazzesman [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
CK95 wrote: At some point he needs his own thread & why not now. Over the three games, what's he doing well? And at what point does inviting him to officially throw his hat into the ring become too hard to avoid? Sent from my moto g54 5G using Tapatalk We might all need a cure for diabetes if this winning keeps up. the Wins are fabulous but his performance before the media has been terrific. Sure it is easier after a win, but as a supporter it is nice to have a reasoned, articulate and civil coach fronting the Club. I did think Voss was all of those things and under far greater pressure. Keep up the grand work Josh. Regards Cazzesman |
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| Author: | CK95 [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
GreatEx wrote: If we get to 8-8 I'm renaming my seventh son of a jack ison. Sent from my moto g54 5G using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | SurreyBlue [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 11:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
IMO, nothing has changed. Josh can coach until the end of the year and we can start to review all options, say in 6 weeks or so. We’ll have a better feel for coach availability and process by then. We need to find the best person and the person that will keep building the right playing mindset and culture. Maybe it is Josh, maybe it isn’t. GW and CD must get this right and I’m hopeful neither will jump on a little success or sugar hit. |
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| Author: | Mickstar [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
All I know about Josh is he is a truely delightful man . He is now exactly like he was in his previous stint with us when he coached the Bullants . Nothing has changed with this bloke . Nothing . Humility is his calling card . |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 2:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
Ainsworth after the game was interviewed by Triple M after game said "Fraser has simplified a lot of things a bit, and understands we are all pretty good footballers, he sets the parameters, within the framework and away we go" "Using hands more in the back half and taking it from there" But the game " as other players have said, is based on the foundations set by Vossy". Fraser empowering the players? Unleashed them? Whatever Fraser has done, and he's done something, the players are playing good hard running transition footy.
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 3:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
Jagga Smith after the game on ABC said "Frase is a really measured person. Vossy set the foundations and Fraser has taken it from there" |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 3:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
Regardless of what happens with choice of coach, but if Fraser doesn't get the nod for Head Coach, he'd be great to keep on as Assistant. He knows the lads, their strengths, weaknesses, personalities, preferences GOLD But I'm not going down that Teague Train route with fools gold. I recall that euphoric winning feeling and jumping on that winning momentum at the time. This momentum has a certain familiarity about it. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
We all love winning and three in a row is sensational We face a block of 4 games we might win 3 or even pull of a heist in homebush and win all 4 Then we will see if Josh can coach Winning for Carlton is easy when there are no expectations there is already talk floating around about us qualifying for the top 10 positions . when this becomes real that is when Carlton will be at it's worst - The expectations will go through the roof and winning games will then matter and when there is something on the line we falter. If Josh can take us through that and out the other side without them falling apart - Appoint him |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
Pat's Fitztrick wrote: I can't vouch for the accuracy of these figures. But they sure make good reading. Right on PF In a nutshell Fraser hasn't made any major changes to personnel. He brought in first gamer, Ison, but rest of changes were forced and filled spots left open due to injury with Young Byrne & Acres It is obvious Fraser has changed the things highlighted in your chart. Change in personnel since Fraser took over: WB IN: Ison OUT: Saad (injured) Port IN: Young Byrne Derksen OUT: Ollie (inj) Williams (managed) Weitering (Inj) Geel IN: Weitering Acres OUT: Carroll (inj) Derksen Vossy vs Brisbane IN: Wilson Hewett OUT: Reidy Cottrell |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 4:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
Sydney Blue wrote: We all love winning and three in a row is sensational We face a block of 4 games we might win 3 or even pull of a heist in homebush and win all 4 Then we will see if Josh can coach Winning for Carlton is easy when there are no expectations there is already talk floating around about us qualifying for the top 10 positions . when this becomes real that is when Carlton will be at it's worst - The expectations will go through the roof and winning games will then matter and when there is something on the line we falter. If Josh can take us through that and out the other side without them falling apart - Appoint him I keep thinking of your hypothesis SB when the pressure is off, and players play with freedom, but as above post shows, Fraser has changed a few things. |
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| Author: | SurreyBlue [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 5:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
Pat's Fitztrick wrote: I can't vouch for the accuracy of these figures. But they sure make good reading. I can. Evolvement of game plan. |
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| Author: | CK95 [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 6:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
Sydney Blue wrote: If Josh can take us through that and out the other side without them falling apart - Appoint him They'd at least have to invite him to apply should we make the 10. Without going through the numbers, to the eye it looks like we're handballing more & kicking less. Which is good because some of our field kicking against Geelong was shocking Conversely some of our handball chains lately make us look like a top side. Of his wins, I thought the game against the Dogs was a pretty terrible standard for 3q, & the Port match the oppo were very sub par. But can't ignore Friday night, absolute breakout win since he took over. The kids are getting a game but it's a bit of a myth to say that Voss didn't play kids. Last year was a terrible season but one of the positives out of it was we unearthed some good young talent. I get the feeling Fraser's persona is just what the squad needs at the moment. For all Voss' failings, his strength appeared to be his connection & relationship building with the players. But maybe that was also his greatest undoing. Maybe at the end they were so stressed & nervous about their mate losing his job that they kept showing it on field & shitting the bed when the pressure came on. With Fraser it's different. You see him interviewed & he's all business - not an asshole or anything, but more a pure coach who the players aren't going to hate, but also aren't going to be emotionally invested in. He reminds me a bit of Longmuir of Fremantle, who I have a lot of time for. |
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| Author: | SurreyBlue [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 6:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
FRASER'S FIVE BIG BLUES CHANGES THESE are the five big changes Carlton has made under Josh Fraser. The first is in game style – the Blues have taken control of the ball considerably more under interim coach Fraser, with Champion Data ranking Carlton No.1 for time in possession over the past three weeks and taking more uncontested marks than any team in this period. They were ranked 14th for time in possession and 13th for uncontested marks under Michael Voss this year. Secondly, the Blues have left the corridor footy and are opting for the boundary line to set up their plan. This has seen them be less predictable with their ball movement and they have increased their 45-degree kick percentage, making them move the ball with purpose. Their ball movement has improved from their defensive half and they are transitioning and scoring more from that part of the ground. The third priority for the Blues has been Fraser not taking his eye off Carlton's strengths. Their stoppage game has always been seen as the central part of the Blues' hopes, but it has lifted again and in Friday's win over Geelong they scored 49 points from clearances – the most the Cats have conceded this season. Defensively, they are conceding almost four fewer goals per game than the first nine rounds of the season and their scoring efficiency from forward-50 entries has also spiked. The next change has been moving the magnets and experimenting. Will Hayward has moved to the wing and played more than half of his game time in that role, up from 96 per cent of his time forward under Voss. Harry McKay has played 30 per cent in the ruck, becoming the Blues' No.2 in that position. He barely played there under Voss (three per cent). Jagga Smith has gone up in midfield time in the past three weeks (59 per cent to 76) and Ben Ainsworth has also been sent in the centre bounce 24.5 per cent of the time, a real change from his previous 97 per cent as a forward. The fifth change has been some newer faces thrown in, with Jack Ison making his debut in the game that followed Voss' sacking and adding some class, and Billy Wilson also returning to the side. Flynn Young was also busy on Friday night with two goals. Carlton can heap more pain on a wounded Essendon* next week, with its three games after that (following its round14 bye) against Greater Western Sydney, West Coast and Richmond, giving it a sneaky chance of playing in a wildcard game. https://www.afl.com.au/news/1531805/cal ... -departing Just confirming what most of us have seen and raised.
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| Author: | AGRO [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 6:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
Pat's Fitztrick wrote: I can't vouch for the accuracy of these figures. But they sure make good reading. You didn't need to be a Rocket Surgeon or Brain Scientist to work out what changes needed to be made. Lucky Josh is neither - just has a very smart football brain.
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| Author: | MPH78 [ Mon Jun 01, 2026 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
I’ve been particularly impressed with how he presents to the media and public. Humble but very clear on what he is trying to implement and improve upon. Appears to have a strong grasp on what it takes to win modern football and is adding layers to our game. You can perhaps argue that this is the honeymoon phase. A month ago I was all but ready to hand in the keys. To have reinvigorated the whole club, inclusive of members and supporters, in such a short period is a monumental achievement. Friday nights win was full of merit and probably the best win we’ve had in ages. I’m more than happy to have many more of these sugar hits. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Tue Jun 02, 2026 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Josh Fraser Appreciation Society |
CK95 wrote: Sydney Blue wrote: If Josh can take us through that and out the other side without them falling apart - Appoint him They'd at least have to invite him to apply should we make the 10. Without going through the numbers, to the eye it looks like we're handballing more & kicking less. Which is good because some of our field kicking against Geelong was shocking Conversely some of our handball chains lately make us look like a top side. Of his wins, I thought the game against the Dogs was a pretty terrible standard for 3q, & the Port match the oppo were very sub par. But can't ignore Friday night, absolute breakout win since he took over. The kids are getting a game but it's a bit of a myth to say that Voss didn't play kids. Last year was a terrible season but one of the positives out of it was we unearthed some good young talent. I get the feeling Fraser's persona is just what the squad needs at the moment. For all Voss' failings, his strength appeared to be his connection & relationship building with the players. But maybe that was also his greatest undoing. Maybe at the end they were so stressed & nervous about their mate losing his job that they kept showing it on field & shitting the bed when the pressure came on. With Fraser it's different. You see him interviewed & he's all business - not an asshole or anything, but more a pure coach who the players aren't going to hate, but also aren't going to be emotionally invested in. He reminds me a bit of Longmuir of Fremantle, who I have a lot of time for. 4 weeks ago the results mattered some ones job was on the line - the playing group hasn't been able to handle this expectation for years Now results don't matter - just go out and play we haven't had a coach in years who has been able to get this team up when results count We will see after this block of 4 games and if we are pressing for wild card and expectations rise if Josh can get through to the playing group We still have some talented players on the list but they are the most mentally fragile group in the entire comp It is breaking through that which is going to be difficult for anyone who takes over and this has hung around for nearly 30 years - Even the 99 Prelim was a free hit no one expected us to win and the following week when there were high expectations we failed dismally - Same applies to the prelim against Brisbane we put ourselves in a terrifc position to win that game but they couldn't handle it I don't know a lot about Josh and his coaching abilities but it is getting over the mental barrier that is the issue not positional changes or ball movement |
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