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| Author: | Rexy [ Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | List Management 2025 |
2025 playing list as it stands... 21. Lucas Camporeale 21/7/2006 (2024 ND#54) 16. Ben Camporeale 21/7/2006 (2024 ND#43) 28. Harry Charleson 26/6/2006 (2024 RD#9) 22. Harry O'Farrell 3/5/2006 (2024 ND #40) 07. Jagga Smith 28/1/2006 (2024 ND#3) 32. Matthew Carroll 28/11/05 (2023 RD#15, 2025 SSP) 35. Billy Wilson 16/6/05 (2023 ND#34) 43. Ashton Moir 15/4/05 (2023 ND#29) 36. Cooper Lord 20/3/2005 (2023 SSP) 34. Rob Monahan 29/6/04 (2023 Cat B Rookie) 41. Matt Duffy ?.?.04 (2024 Cat B Rookie) 40. Hudson O'Keeffe 16/12/04 (2023 SSP) 02. Lachie Cowan 1/12/04 (2022 ND#30) 25. Jaxon Binns 29/10/04 (2022 ND#32) ##. Will White 18/3/04 (2025 SSP) 31. Harry Lemmey 30/1/04 (2022 ND#47) 04. Oliver Hollands 16/1/04 (2022 ND#11) 03. Jesse Motlop 23/11/03 (2021 ND#27) 20. Elijah Hollands 25/4/02 (2020 ND#7 GC, 2023 TP) 19. Corey Durdin 14/2/02 (2020 ND#37) 44. Francis Evans 23/8/01 (2019 ND#41 Geel, 2022 DFA Pt.Adel, 2025 SSP) 17. Brodie Kemp 1/5/01 (2019 ND#17) 18. Sam Walsh 2/7/00 (2018 ND#1) 46. Matthew Cottrell 29/2/00 (2019 PRP, 2021 RD#23) 05. Adam Cerra 7/10/99 (2017 ND#5 Fre, 2021 Tr.P) 12. Tom DeKoning 16/7/99 (2017 ND#30) 08. Lachie Fogarty 1/4/99 (2017 ND#22 Geel, 2020 Tr.P) 33. Lewis Young 20/12/98 (2016 ND#49 WB, 2021 Tr.P) 37. Jordan Boyd 22/9/98 (2021 MSD#20) 10. Harry McKay 24/12/97 (2015 ND#10) 01. Jack Silvagni 17/12/97 (2015 ND F/S #53) 23. Jacob Weitering 23/11/97 (2015 ND#1) 30. Charlie Curnow 3/2/97 (2015 ND#12) 39. Alex Cincotta 17/12/96 (2023 SSP) 27. Marc Pittonet 3/6/96 (2014 ND#50, 2019 Tr.P) 29. George Hewett 29/12/95 (2013 ND#32 Syd, 2021 FA) 13. Blake Acres 7/10/95 (2013 ND#19, 2022 Tr.P) 14. Orazio Fantasia 14/9/95 (2013 ND#55 *, 2020 TP PortAd, 2023 DFA) 09. Patrick Cripps 18/3/95 (2013 ND#13) 11. Mitch McGovern 11/10/94 (2014 ND#43 Ade, 2018 Tr.P) 06. Zac Williams 20/9/94 (2013 RD#54 GWS, 2020 Tr.P) 42. Adam Saad 23/7/94 (2015 RD#25 GCS, 2017 Tr.P *, 2020 Tr.P) 15. Sam Docherty 17/10/93 (2011 ND#12 Bris, 2013 Tr.P) 24. Nic Newman 15/1/93 (2015 RD#35 Syd, 2018 Tr.P) 26. Nick Haynes 18/5/92 (2011 ND#7 GWS, 2024 DFA) |
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| Author: | Crusader [ Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Duffy? |
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| Author: | GWS [ Sat Nov 23, 2024 11:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Freaky how there’s two players with the same surname and born on the same day… |
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| Author: | jezzarules [ Sun Nov 24, 2024 6:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Crusader wrote: Duffy? Yep https://www.afl.com.au/news/1256945/who ... draft-haul |
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| Author: | Rexy [ Sun Nov 24, 2024 8:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Matt Duffy added. INS AND OUTS: Every club's full list changes ahead of 2025 - https://www.afl.com.au/news/1245422 |
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| Author: | Crusader [ Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Rexy wrote: Matt Duffy added. INS AND OUTS: Every club's full list changes ahead of 2025 - https://www.afl.com.au/news/1245422  Now all he needs is a thread in TalkingPlayers.
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| Author: | Crusader [ Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
I think this is about right… no Carrolls this Christmas… but maybe one for next? [3] Key Defenders: Weitering, O’Farrell, Young (ruck) [4] Tall Defenders: Haynes, Silvagni (ruck), Monahan, Duffy [4] Medium Defenders: Newman, McGovern (fwd), Cowan, Carroll [4] Small Defenders: Saad, Boyd, Wilson (mid), Charleson [4] Wing: Acres, O.Hollands (def), Binns, L.Camporeale (def) [3] Ruck: Pittonet, De Koning, O’Keeffe [3] Defensive Mid: Hewett, Cincotta, Lord [2] Inside Mid: Cripps, B.Camporeale [4] General Mid: Walsh, Cerra, Docherty (def), Smith [3] Mid Forwards: E.Hollands, Williams (def), Cottrell (wing) [2] Medium Forwards: Kemp (def), Moir [6] Small Forwards: Fogarty (mid), Fantasia, Motlop, Durdin, Evans, White [3] Key Forwards: Curnow, McKay, Lemmey P: 36 R(a): 7 R(b): 2 Total: 45 Deletions: P: Marchbank, Cuningham, Martin, Owies, Kennedy, J.Carroll R(a): Boyd, Mirkov, S.Durdin, M.Carroll R(b): Akuei Additions: P: Boyd, Haynes, Smith, O’Farrell, B.Camporeale, L.Camporeale R(a): Lord, Charleson, M.Carroll, Evans, White R(b): Duffy |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Crusader wrote: I think this is about right… no Carrolls this Christmas. [2] Key Defenders: Weitering, O’Farrell [3] Tall Defenders: Young (ruck), Kemp (fwd), Haynes [2] Medium Defenders: Newman, Cowan [4] Small Defenders: Saad, Boyd, Wilson (mid), Charleson [4] Wing: Acres, O.Hollands (def), Binns, L.Camporeale (def) [3] Ruck: Pittonet, De Koning, O’Keeffe [3] Defensive Mid: Hewett, Cincotta, Lord [2] Inside Mid: Cripps, B.Camporeale [4] General Mid: Walsh, Cerra, Docherty (def), Smith [3] Mid Forwards: E.Hollands, Williams (def), Cottrell (wing) [4] Medium Forwards: McGovern (def), Moir, Monahan, Duffy [4] Small Forwards: Fogarty (mid), Fantasia, Motlop, C.Durdin (mid) [4] Key Forwards: Curnow, McKay, Silvagni (ruck), Lemmey P: 36 R(a): 4 (+ 2xSSP) R(b): 2 Deletions: P: Marchbank, Cuningham, Martin, Owies, Kennedy, J.Carroll R(a): Boyd, Mirkov, S.Durdin, M.Carroll R(b): Akuei Additions: P: Boyd, Haynes, Smith, O’Farrell, B.Camporeale, L.Camporeale R(a): Lord, Charleson, 2xSSP R(b): Duffy I've said it before Cru, I like the groupings. I might use it and add age to it. |
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| Author: | Crusader [ Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
I think we’re in a bit of strife if we can’t get 20+ games out of Haynes. Just too many Band-Aids and part timers in the defensive group. We could throw O’Farrell in the deep end. I wouldn’t know him from a bar of soap, but I’m pretty confident that he wouldn’t be broken by the task. Regularly beaten, sure. But not broken. Weitering, Haynes, O’Farrell… that’ll work. Weitering, Kemp, O’Farrell… still ok. Weitering, Young, O’Farrell… getting a bit shaky now, but there are a few opponents that it’ll be ok. Young, Haynes, O’Farrell… probably not. Young, Kemp, O’Farrell… mid season review time. |
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| Author: | Crusader [ Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Weitering, Haynes, DGB or Weitering, Haynes, O’Farrell I’ll have the rookie, thanks. |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Crusader wrote: I think we’re in a bit of strife if we can’t get 20+ games out of Haynes. Just too many Band-Aids and part timers in the defensive group. We could throw O’Farrell in the deep end. I wouldn’t know him from a bar of soap, but I’m pretty confident that he wouldn’t be broken by the task. Regularly beaten, sure. But not broken. Weitering, Haynes, O’Farrell… that’ll work. Weitering, Kemp, O’Farrell… still ok. Weitering, Young, O’Farrell… getting a bit shaky now, but there are a few opponents that it’ll be ok. Young, Haynes, O’Farrell… probably not. Young, Kemp, O’Farrell… mid season review time. SOS? Diesel said SOS will be given every chance to make KPD his own, and will be training with the defenders this preseason ...j ust sharing what I heard. He should be considered, and considered well before O'Farrell is selected to play against the big boys. Cannot see O'Farrell plays this year. Maybe a taste next year, but not this year. Have you seen how light he is? His job this preseason is to get into the gym! and repeat that every preseason till he has some meat on that body. Lets just wait to see if SOS works out and who we take in the SSP, or MSD. Its easy to say that'll work and this is ok, but we all learned Kemp is not a great defender, and throwing O'Farrell in to help out is suicide, and not OK. Kemp will be training with the forwards this preseason. I agree will have the same issues as last year if Haynes is injured. Ditto Weitering, especially if Young is overlooked. Hence the need for a good KPD in the SSP. |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Durdin may be the SSP selection. He's another KPD we may consider. |
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| Author: | Crusader [ Tue Nov 26, 2024 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
bondiblue wrote: Durdin may be the SSP selection. He's another KPD we may consider. That’d be a fine option, if he can stay on the park. That “if” should rule him out. As you well know, we’re looking for an insurance policy, not an understudy. Uncertainty has to be a non-starter. It’s good that Jack is going to work with the defenders. He’s the ultimate utility… I think he’ll get blown away by just about every deep forward in the league, but he’s got something to offer across half back. Vossy’s predilection for CHB setting up on the centre circle will be good for him. So yeah, neither of them are good insurance for Weitering. |
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| Author: | Blue Vain [ Tue Nov 26, 2024 7:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
CHB is a fantasy for Jack. Any coach worth his salt will isolate him deep at every opportunity. We saw how it tormented the defence with Weitering being consistently dragged away from the play. The consistent change of match ups creates too much disruption. We need talls and smalls that can stand up on either line and do the job. It will be either sink or swim for Jack in the goal square. We can't carry players that can't adapt. Personally I can't see it. The last thing we need is another slow, poor disposer of the footy in the back half. I hope I'm wrong. Out of interest, if Jack plays defence, who is our relieving ruckman? |
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| Author: | SurreyBlue [ Tue Nov 26, 2024 7:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Need to trust and support/encourage Young. He did it while Weits was out, so no reason he can’t with him next to him. He is a confidence player. |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Tue Nov 26, 2024 7:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Blue Vain wrote: CHB is a fantasy for Jack. Any coach worth his salt will isolate him deep at every opportunity. We saw how it tormented the defence with Weitering being consistently dragged away from the play. The consistent change of match ups creates too much disruption. We need talls and smalls that can stand up on either line and do the job. It will be either sink or swim for Jack in the goal square. We can't carry players that can't adapt. Personally I can't see it. The last thing we need is another slow, poor disposer of the footy in the back half. I hope I'm wrong. Out of interest, if Jack plays defence, who is our relieving ruckman? CHB is a fantasy for Carlton since we let go Jones. Too right its a fantasy. Good point re isolating SOS, against a quick KPF, someone like Freo's Jackson, and reminding us his disposal is hit and miss. We are short on options if Young is overlooked, or folds, and we don't find a stop gap from the SSP or MSD. A couple of weeks ago, Diesel said SOS is really strong, like his old man, and his strength is what they are keen on in defense. That's good when playing shoulder to shoulder with the high ball coming in. Need to pressure the kicker up the ground!!! Lets hope our midfield doesn't leak like it did in the last 2 months of 2024. I think that was half the problem for the defenders. We know Kemp and Gov struggle one on one, and Kemps been invited to train with the forwards, so he's not an option in ruck either. SOS is in my best 23 for 2025 (thus far). SOS is my pick as 3rd Forward/ Ruck. TDK is not an option as Fwd Ruck. He will be the AFL star Ruckman in 2025. In 2023, I didn't have SOS in my best 23. Pitto was No 1 Ruck and TDK was the Fwd Ruck. Kemp is training with the forwards. Kemp replaces Kennedy as the 2nd marking target when Harry rucks (Im still uncomfortable about that), in the hope Charlie isnt double teamed. The other 3rd marking tall/ non ruckman might be Moir, or even Gov (that wont happen). Liam McMahon? He can ruck, mark around the ground, and kick straight. Lets hope Austin pulls a rabbit out of his hat with his next 2 picks. |
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| Author: | aboynamedsue [ Tue Nov 26, 2024 8:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Blue Vain wrote: Out of interest, if Jack plays defence, who is our relieving ruckman? McKay? |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | List Management 2025 |
I watched JSOS playing defence in the reserves against Sydney last year. He was clearly BOG Not sure how that would translate playing it in the big time as from memory we gave them a bit of a touch up 3rd tall rotating ruck for me. Maybe the thought of playing him back was made when they were suggested 5 interchange no sub meaning you could play 2 rucks Sent from my SM-F926B using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | jezzarules [ Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
aboynamedsue wrote: Blue Vain wrote: Out of interest, if Jack plays defence, who is our relieving ruckman? McKay? No reason a defender can't do it if the an opposition forward is doing it for them They just go in together |
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| Author: | carntheblues [ Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Management 2025 |
Blue Vain wrote: CHB is a fantasy for Jack. Any coach worth his salt will isolate him deep at every opportunity. We saw how it tormented the defence with Weitering being consistently dragged away from the play. The consistent change of match ups creates too much disruption. We need talls and smalls that can stand up on either line and do the job. It will be either sink or swim for Jack in the goal square. We can't carry players that can't adapt. Personally I can't see it. The last thing we need is another slow, poor disposer of the footy in the back half. I hope I'm wrong. Out of interest, if Jack plays defence, who is our relieving ruckman? I agree BV. I have never seen Jack as a defender. At his height you need good closing speed and a good vertical jump which he does not have. He will get isolated and his weaknesses exposed. He needs to play forward to use his strengths and is OK as the 2nd ruck. If our backs are expected to play so high, they all need speed to get back when the opposition get the ball. |
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