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 Post subject: 2025 - What do we think?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 12:38 am 
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Great stuff. I still can't believe we won that prelim by 10 goals....for so much of the night it felt like a tense, gripping affair in pissing rain

Who did Darren Crocker iron out? I thought he got Diesel & Schwatta got Peter Dean. Although my memory could be unreliable. I didn't treat myself well in the 90s :lol:

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forget the other hits. almost certain Schwass hit Diesel. i wouldn’t have been fretting over Peter Dean (“Football Machine” as my mate called him). he’d have survive a tornado and play the next week!

i felt Norf played dirty all night. was it 10 goals in the end? i was a bit worried at half time.

Amazing Norf came back in ‘96 and belted us in the GF, shows how much two teams can improve/slide with respect to each other in one season. if one is there abouts for a couple of years prior and carry some elite young talent and the other is carrying genuine stars of the game who may be getting an extra game or three on the strength of their reputations and on account of being “forgiven performers in finals”.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 8:44 am 
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Yeah we started 96 brilliantly, then injuries caught up.

North beat Sydney in the 96 GF. And us in 99.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:12 am 
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keogh wrote:
I’ve been saying for 20 years on this website
The most important person at an AFL club is your List Manager
[…]
Our List Management strategy compared to the more successful clubs is shit. Pure and Simple.
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We still recruit Haynes (But he costs nothing) He is past it. His year in 2024 proves it. Cooper Whyte would be a better option
But not at Carlton
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Picks outside the top 30. Rookie picks.
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That’s why they have been up there for so long
Same with Geelong and Sydney
When we recruit a 32 year old to the list you ask why
Haynes is obviously back up for a defender like Weiters if he goes down
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You need 2 big key defenders
Adams retires because of concussion issues. Payne who was recruited as a kid with pick 54 steps up to support Andrews. That’s a classic example of good list management
Who is our support in the big bodied defensive department for Weiters


but how do you really feel, Keogh? a bit harsh i reckon.

i hope Hayes becomes more than a reserves player to fill in if Weiters is injured. he didn’t crack the AFL at GWS bc they didn’t want to mess with the formula that was working while he was out with guts issues for a year or so. doesn’t mean he is past it. Jones wasn’t past it when he returned to the Bulldogs at a similar age. I hope he pushes Young or Gov out of the first pick back six.

you praise Geelong’s recruiting, they snapped Jack Martin up same way we grabbed Haynes. Potentially a game winner if his durability issues were Russell “break-a-few-on-the-training-track” related. or potentially nothing much comes of it. footy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

as for recruiting a genuine tall KPD to compliment Weiters not just play when he can’t, i’m hoping pick #38 does just that for us. quite a few will be available thereabouts, maybe we can trade up to #32 or something.

trades we got right:
Newman, deserving second in the Nichols Medal 2024 just gets keeps getting better as his body drops from its peak.
Cerra, fair enough if jury remains undecided but has the development potential to become the class ball user in our midfield.
Hewitt, defied the doubters this season to take it to the next level, more versatile and more dependable outside of a lockdown role.
Saad, more upside than downside.
Fogarty, ditto.
Elijah Hollands, still improving, already good, doesn’t fu much which is something we can’t say for some.
probably others i’m forgetting.


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I meant Nathan Cooper not Cooper Whyte
Newman has been a great pick up for a fourth rounder
Hewett has been good as a free agent
Elijah Hollands an excellent selection for I think was basically a late second rounder
Saad has been very good but cost us basically a first rounder and I will argue to the cows come home he should be given time in the middle or at the very least a role further up the ground given we need leg speed and quick ball movement in this area
He is one of the few on our list that can do that
Fogarty in my opinion is overrated by many on this site
Is a goer but a limited player
Cerra cost us a first and third rounder
He was excellent last year injuries ducked him
this year. I rate him but he should deliver given what we gave up for him

I reckon Carlton and other clubs do not select enough blokes from the WAFL SANFL VFL Etc
I have been saying it for years on this site and will continue to do so
I would have picked Nathan Cooper over Haynes every day of the week
But Haynes is a proven AFL player
Cooper isnt
That’s the mentality of so many list management teams
Geelong is a bit of an outliner
Look at Humpries and Mannagh this year
Cooper is the sort of player we need a big bodied key defender who can support Weiters
Haynes is more of an interceptor
Cooper is 27 Haynes is 32
No brainer
I would have looked at Jacob Blight in last years mid season draft
Classic example of a late bloomer from Peel Thunder who is at the Tigers
If Weiters goes down we are captain cactus
I hope Cooper gets picked up by someone
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:47 pm 
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In relation to recruiting I think the average number of games per player is ridiculously low
You can assume from that every club’s List Management team has more losses than wins

Where we screwed up was 6 or so years ago
Dow
SPS
O’ Brien
All mids all top 10 picks
Then the trades
Stocker
Setterfield
That’s why we haven’t progressed
Yes we made a prelim last year but overall since SOS arrived in 2016 are Reno hasn’t brought us close to a GF
Totally agree with BB assessment
I laugh at what the Aints are doing
Dow
Carroll
Stocker
All guys who are fillers at best
Look at WC
How did they miss on Humpries who was in their academy
You have to get your recruiting better than most of the other 17 clubs to have a shot at a flag
Whilst there is an argument against father son and academy selections being unfair I reckon it’s a bit of a deflection and smoke screen for poor List Management
Pick 3 is so crucial this year
I would go for the best kick and quickest mid available not necessarily the best mid now
One you missed that has been a great pick up is Acres for a third rounder
I personally have more faith in Austin with pick 3 than the Full Back of the century


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:19 pm 
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pick 3 has to be strong QUICK mid and p38 195cm KPD and then we land Ben campo (hopefully)


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:59 am 
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pick 3 has to be strong QUICK mid and p38 195cm KPD and then we land Ben campo (hopefully)



Would love this to happen.

I don't believe for one minute Ben will not be bid on before our pick 38.

I expect at least 3 potential bids for Ben before our pick 38 and Austin knows this...I'm guessing ofcourse.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:14 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
jpulice1969 wrote:
pick 3 has to be strong QUICK mid and p38 195cm KPD and then we land Ben campo (hopefully)



Would love this to happen.

I don't believe for one minute Ben will not be bid on before our pick 38.

I expect at least 3 potential bids for Ben before our pick 38 and Austin knows this...I'm guessing ofcourse.


Yeah , SOS aint gonna be the only party pooper .

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:53 am 
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I posted elsewhere on this site but we just got handed one of the easiest draws of all!

We get double ups against Hawthorn, Collingwood, West Coast, North Melbourne, Essendon*, Port Adelaide...

At worst we should get 4 wins from that group alone- West Coast and North.

So, IMO - minimum Top 4 should be the worst result for us no excuses.....

Yes, I've said similar here b4, BUT - IF this club is fair dinkum, we simply MUST get a double chance at the premiership next season.....

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 Post subject: 2025 - What do we think?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 5:55 am 
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I would not be looking at the draw and hoping that is the catalyst to make us top 4.
We have done nothing so far this off season to improve the playing list if anything we have weakened it. We can't and shouldn't be hoping that the 3 or 4 kids we pick next week are going to catapult us up the ladder.

We are going into next season hoping we can improve on one aspect we haven't been able to do in the last 5 to 6 years and that is improve the durability of the players and keep them on the park.

Even after winning spoons i would be optimistic about the following season but this is the first off season of my life and I am 60 where I am very pessimistic about the season ahead.
I cannot see where the improvement is going to come from

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 10:57 am 
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I cannot see where the improvement is going to come from

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- Natural improvement in the Hollands brothers and Cowan.
- Cerra will be effectively a new recruit if he gets over his hammy problems. He was arguably our best mid in 2023.
- Moir could provide some spark up forward
- Binns and Lord showed a bit late in the season
- Pick #3 should come straight in the side.
- Injuries, injuries, injuries. TDK was cut down just as he finally started to hit his straps. We can confidently expect more from Charlie and Walsh who were both clearly struggling in the 2nd half of the season. There are question marks over Motlop and Durdin however they were both affected by injury and we can expect more from them in 2025.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 11:06 am 
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My only issue is we seem to say every year that we'll be right with a better injury run, but we never get one.

A lot of pressure on the Sydney bloke to get things sorted.

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My only issue is we seem to say every post that we'll be right with a better injury run, but we never get one.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:04 pm 
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I'll be there in the stands again, fists clinched before the first bounce wishing this damn team didn't mean so much to me. You better get it done soon Blues, I'm not getting any younger.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:13 pm 
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our GAME PLAN does not stand up forget about lucky wins in 23 finals and in 24 we failed lucky to make finals ,Voss and co have to introduce a new style for 25 season


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 5:44 pm 
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We’ll know if this team isn’t fair dinkum in round 3 or 4 when we play Collingwood. We’ve got more talent than them in my view (especially in the peak age bracket of 25-30) but they mentally own us. I hate saying the last bit but it’s a fact. We’re scared against them. We find different ways to lose each time. Cripps almost invariably is BOG against them and the other 21/22 by and large play scared. If we again find a way to stiff this game up, it’s a sign of a team who is simply not there yet, no ruthless and doesn’t get it. I live in hope we’ll turn this around but gets harder to believe with every passing year they continue to own us.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 7:56 pm 
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We’ll know if this team isn’t fair dinkum in round 3 or 4 when we play Collingwood. We’ve got more talent than them in my view (especially in the peak age bracket of 25-30) but they mentally own us. I hate saying the last bit but it’s a fact. We’re scared against them. We find different ways to lose each time. Cripps almost invariably is BOG against them and the other 21/22 by and large play scared. If we again find a way to stiff this game up, it’s a sign of a team who is simply not there yet, no ruthless and doesn’t get it. I live in hope we’ll turn this around but gets harder to believe with every passing year they continue to own us.


Couldn’t agree more.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:17 am 
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where the heck is ninja stadium??????

that one crept up on me

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:59 am 
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david31 wrote:
We’ll know if this team isn’t fair dinkum in round 3 or 4 when we play Collingwood. We’ve got more talent than them in my view (especially in the peak age bracket of 25-30) but they mentally own us. I hate saying the last bit but it’s a fact. We’re scared against them. We find different ways to lose each time. Cripps almost invariably is BOG against them and the other 21/22 by and large play scared. If we again find a way to stiff this game up, it’s a sign of a team who is simply not there yet, no ruthless and doesn’t get it. I live in hope we’ll turn this around but gets harder to believe with every passing year they continue to own us.


I agree in part with your analysis, but I think the game against the Bulldogs in Rd 3 is the barometer. That is the one we need mental steel for. We have more bona-fide A graders than them, but we usually lose by 2-3 goals.

This one against the Bulldogs...get the forward line right and win.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:50 pm 
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Every game is a test
Not this one or that one
It’s such an even comp
What needs to happen before the season starts

Better fitness program
Less injuries
Another key back. If Weitering goes down we are in big trouble

Durdin and or Motlop becoming Goff small forwards who kick over 30 goals and apply pressure
De Koning being the only ruck man with McKay and maybe SOJ as back up

The selection process to be fair and reasonable

Voss to have a astute tactician as an assistant
The final this season was utterly embarrassing on
most of these fronts
Luck Luck and more Luck

Peak when it counts
Brisbane looked gone at times
They were 13 th at one stage
They won when it counted
It ain’t about beating this team or that team
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