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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:09 pm 
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we really were gut running and trying our best. but you cannot play a man down in 2024. you cannot replace a mid who covers 15km a game with a slow lumbering ruck who covers 6km. missing our best intercept defender and our best line breaker in the team (gov & saad) pittonet was glued to the bench for the last 15 mins of the game - why? bcos you just can't use him.

the forward line was back to being too crowded bcos harry and charlie were down there together more for what they have been the entire season, plus with tdk there as well. ball hits the deck and rebounds out of there a million miles an hour.

people really downplay or aren't aware how including pittonet killed us. pittonet could have kicked 5 goals, but his lack of defensive pressure cost us 6 goals and we lose by 3 points.

people ask how did the crows kick just 4 behinds - their goals weren't difficult and most were from getting in over the back bcos we couldn't slow the ball down.


now we are pretty screwed. more soft tissue injuries and hammy's than what a pro sports team should ever have. cripps running on an empty fuel tank bcos there's a new born in the house, and our cupboard is bare. saad and gov are two injuries (along with the rest we cannot cover)


So if Owies was awarded the goal he kicked (or kicked a goal instead of the ground just before the end) that means you are wrong about playing two rucks?



oh hell no ... if we'd won we'd have dodged a bullet, and maybe even tried to convince ourselves we could win again playing like that. we got dusted by a bottom 4 team, and a winless team. 3 point win, or 3 point loss that vital aspect does not change.


2 specialist rucks does not work, it's that simple. debate on who you want until you're pink inthe face, tdk or pitto. but only one can play.

look at the way the ball rebounded back past our F50 bcos we couldn't hold it in. look at how crowded the forwardline was with at times H, Charlie and tdk all there.

look at the pace on the ball through the middle bcos we had the slowest player in the AFL, who cannot make a tackle or mark the ball.

it's a disaster ...


I read Cazzemans post about hating the 3 tall forwards going up simultaneously, but Ive watched again, it wasnt that ofetn, yet its made to sound like it happend all game. Charlies easy 3 misses, Harry's easy shot that hit post, Owies misses, cost us how many goals????? Now remind me how much did we lose by.

Pitto didnt cause the rebound from F50. Just because you think we can argue till we are pink in the face. Tell me how it failed. When the ball isnt marked by the big 3...and you will see many dropped marks nothing to do with getting in each others way, but where were the crumbers. Fk we had 3 of them: Owies, Fantasia, and Durdin. Now how is that Pitto's fault again?


Strange but I saw the opposite to Cazz, I saw lots of separation between the talls and TDK flying while Charlie stayed down and won shots on goal. I saw TDK taking pressure off Charlie to be the only tall and being double teamed.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:12 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
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If Adelaide lost yesterday that was their season
If your 5% off against a fully switched on side you will lose
It’s that simple
In regards to Pittonet he is a liability
Doesn’t help when a runner like Saad goes down but if you can’t run your a liability

Hit outs on their own is a meaningless stat
The Crows looked the more dangerous side when they had the ball
Our defence was pathetic yesterday
Who was on Rankine
With Daniels Greene Brown and Bedford we will need to be tighter
In regards to the ruck I would have Young come in and he McKay give DeKoning a chop out
Depending on how they go today I would like to see Binns in and give Moir a go as a leading 3 rd tall
Acres can go go back
Swings and Roundabouts
But Pitto is a liability because he isn’t mobile enough for the modern game particularly at Marvel

Good sides can cover injuries


Are you claiming that OBrien is that much more mobile than Pitto? or was OBrien a liability at Marvel too?


Adelaide played one specialist ruckman
We played two


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:20 pm 
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Can someone please put up the MVP voting so bondi can give Pitto 5 votes and we can all move on?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:37 pm 
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Peculiar game….

Croatians the better team on the day…
ran all over us…smashed our defence…
killed us at stoppages…and kicked more straight
than a pig farmer from jerilderie…!

yet…they had to kick 3 goals in the last 5
minutes to win it…!

HA…you work THAT out…!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:15 pm 
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We serbed those last 3 goals to them on a platter tommi....!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:49 pm 
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A bit too “ Hungary” were the opposition


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:58 pm 
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We were pretty lathiargic yesterday


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:31 pm 
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We needed to have that loss. We’ve been trash all year and have been very lucky to win our first 4 games. We could easily be 1-4 right now and we’ve played some easy teams. The next 6-8 weeks are going to get a hell of a lot tougher. We needed a wake up call


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"Trash" is wildly hyperbolic. Two interstate wins, against reigning GFist and a team previously 3-0. Beat the only team to have bested the Swans whom everyone spanks themselves silly over. North an easy game and we put them to the sword. All this while doing pre season training loads and developing new tactics.

Not saying we've been brilliant... but we need to respect the opponents more, and our achievement in beating them.


Fair point. Probably venting my frustration that we are performing far from our potential, and it’s all pats on the back because we’re scraping over the line and getting the wins

To me this is a mirror of last year so far. I’ve been saying all year if we don’t get real about how we are travelling and improve, we will drop games we shouldn’t. Yesterday it happened.

I say trash because I expect so much from this list. It is littered with talent and is now mature. We should not be losing to a winless Adelaide at home and we should not be in scraping over the line in 3 out of 4 wins. We could very easily be 1-4 right now. We need to extract a digit and fast


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:36 pm 
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Not sure the loss is down to much more than this:

We basically owned the most of the second half including most of the momentum but did not take our chances - 6 goals 12 behinds in the second half pretty much proves that. The crows kicked 9 goals two in the same period...

We won the stoppage/clearances - clearly, we were off on both taking opportunities forward and also defensively at times and let through some very easy entries/goals.

16 points up with about 5/6 mins to go - we should have finished it off but for a couple of opportunities that we let slip which inevitably led to turnover goals or similar (with some horror defensive efforts to boot). Again, they took their chances - we didn't and made some horror errors to boot - game over.

Vossy said as much in his presser. Picking Pitto - whilst maybe not the best option, certainly was not the reason we lost this game. I think there were far more damaging issues which I have outlined above which changed the result.

Like others have noted. The loss we had against the crows last season was the catalyst for the horror run of losses. We have now picked up a couple more injuries to key playeres, and I fear we are at high risk of history repeating here, especially given the teams we have to play over the next 4 or five games. I hope I am wrong. But wow, I'm very nervous right now!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:15 pm 
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Yeah, with a 2 point loss a million little things can make the difference.

Owies kicking it up and not trying to skid it in the last minute and stubbing his toe.

Rachele gets two pretty soft frees that result in goals.

Kemp and Williams flower' it up on the boundary.

Williams letting Gollant slip one through on the goal line.

Hamstring injuries to our two best rebounding defenders late in the game.

A rubbish goal review.

Inaccurate kicking in the 3rd when we were dominating.

Slipped / missed / broken tackles all game.

It's all of these things and none of these things.

We missed Fogarty. Pitto was fine, but it meant TDK never got into the game. We missed a third tall. We bombed it long to our small forwards. Adelaide adjusted after the first quarter and had an extra man in most aerial contests, but our secondary forwards didn't make them accountable or punish them when the ball came to ground. Our mids did okay, but let Adelaide out too easily all game. We're *really* testing the depth of our list. Adelaide have been our Kryptonite for a few years now.

We just have to tidy things up and we're in with a chance next week.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:30 pm 
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Now that my emotions have settled I'm not too bothered we got a kick in the ass.

We played crap & somehow grabbed a 16 point lead, which felt weird at the time. I think if we'd won that game there's a chance we could have got way ahead of ourselves & thought we could just get it done no matter what.

We can still beat the Giants. I actually think we need a light week on the track. The Freo game was just intense & played in heat for the first half, & maybe we were a bit Physically & mentally drained from that, & the Crows had the 9 day break.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the club responds.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:49 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Now that my emotions have settled I'm not too bothered we got a kick in the ass.




the loss isn't the end of the world. the team selection was pretty baffling - hopefully they all learned something. but it's the injuries that are now piling up. the fact they're soft tissue injuries it's pretty much on the training load. the guys are getting flogged and their bodies aren't holding up ... that's the area of concern that really can tear apart our season.

no gov, saad, martin, motlop, cunningham for the foreseeable future. martin is looking like missing another half a season. and all of it from soft tissue.


this has the capacity to break us.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:51 pm 
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A lot has come out from a 2 point loss. And it's probably a good thing because if we somehow scraped another close win, it papers over the cracks.

Concerns. Firstly, our leg speed. We don't have any. E Hollands is painfully slow. Kennedy. Cripps. Hewett. Individually are great. Collectively, they're the AFL version of a glacier. Walsh and Cerra (when fit) are more mobile but I wouldn't say have genuine speed.

I feel we've ignored this in our trading and drafting. Deliberately or circumstance? I feel we prefer endurance over speed. Anyway, it's an issue that can't be resolved this year. But must be addressed. (Nostalgic moment : Remember when Yazz v West Coast when they could lay a glove on him)

The other concerns are Weiters and Charlie.

Weiters seems a bit betwixt and between. Do we want him to be the lock down or the interceptor? Now that McG is out, maybe we play Young as the lockdown and let Weiters play on a lesser opponent and zone off? He paid Tex no respect and almost seemed happy to let him have the hit up from 50 metres. Tex was more than happy to oblige and nailed 4.

Charlie is not in form. Despite kicking 17 and sitting second on the goal kicking list. I do not believe he's in form at all. His kicking from 40+ is awful. I have no faith watching him take a shot in this range. Has he even kicked one outside 40?

And finally, as everyone has pointed out, the midget combo up forward is not giving bang for buck. Orazio, Owies, Durdin and Fog just don't kick enough goals. Yesterday, without Fog they didn't bring the F50 defensive heat either. Adelaide waltzed it out of our 50 with ease all day. Even with the game on the line in the last minute.

It was only 2 points and we should have won, but yesterday exposed some gaping holes that may become chasms in the next 5 weeks. This season is following a very familiar script

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:55 pm 
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charlie has a high ankle sprain that he's carried since pre season. he first did it last year too. his ankle just rolls easily. probs needs an op at some stage.

but that's why his kicking has lost penetration, and why his form is a bit off the boil. (sounds crazy saying that, considering he leads the afl in contested marks)


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:01 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Now that my emotions have settled I'm not too bothered we got a kick in the ass.




the loss isn't the end of the world. the team selection was pretty baffling - hopefully they all learned something. but it's the injuries that are now piling up. the fact they're soft tissue injuries it's pretty much on the training load. the guys are getting flogged and their bodies aren't holding up ... that's the area of concern that really can tear apart our season.

no gov, saad, martin, motlop, cunningham for the foreseeable future. martin is looking like missing another half a season. and all of it from soft tissue.


this has the capacity to break us.



Injuries have been terrible for years. It can't be just rotten luck.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 9:06 pm 
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I'm a big fan of Kemp, just needs to get those bonehead plays out of his game.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 9:13 pm 
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Adelaide's scoring accuracy (G/B ratio) for the first 4 games: 57%, 50%, 29%, 35%.

They just had to get 80% against us, didn't they?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 9:59 pm 
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Adelaide's scoring accuracy (G/B ratio) for the first 4 games: 57%, 50%, 29%, 35%.

They just had to get 80% against us, didn't they?


We let them.

If there’s nobody in defensive 50 it’s not that hard to put it through the middle.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:14 pm 
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Yep, funnily enough the winning goal was the only one with a reasonably high degree of difficulty.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:29 pm 
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Let’s not look at yesterday in isolation
I’m zeroing in on one player
McKay (apart from 2 early goals yesterday) has been woeful the last 2 weeks.
He promised to tear the game apart in the first few rounds but has gone back to the 6ft 10in 100 kgs looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane.
Drops marks, second efforts lame, easily out bodied in marking contests. Shivers and he’s on north of $800k


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