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https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/04/06/f ... -sure-did/


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 10:14 pm 
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https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/04/06/footy-fix-no-the-umpires-didnt-gift-carlton-the-game-but-freo-sure-did/

Good article :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:23 am 
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killpies wrote:
Good article :thumbsup:


He's completely missed the point or has chosen to ignore it. No one is arguing that Freo's last few minutes were awful.

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Yes, his kick does brush Aish’s shoulder on the way through, but get real: there’s no chance an umpire can notice that (there's 4 of them), similar cases probably happen dozens of times every weekend (probably not) with no issues raised, and there’s no mechanism currently in place to overturn such a call (no shit Sherlock - the argument is that there should be).


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:32 am 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Perhaps it is YOU who isn’t respecting the opponent, did you think of that?

You are giving Freo ZERO credit for their excellent execution of their game plan, albeit a very dull one.



:donk: :lol: Yet I'm critical of some players for not respecting their opponents? Does that not signify to you that I thought the opponent was half decent? Hmmm...maybe not.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:30 am 
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The challenge system works fine in US sports which are just advertising vehicles anyway, and cricket, where there are natural stoppages and the technology is able to provide clear empirical evidence for binary questions like did the ball hit the bat or did it pitch in line with the stumps. In football, VAR has wrecked the sport because it turns those rare goals from moments of spontaneous joy into agonising waits as incompetent morons try to use videos and laser pointers to answer subjective questions like was that a natural arm movement or was that tackle careless or reckless. Learn the lessons, keep this shit out of Aussie Rules. I'd even do away with score reviews, they're almost always inconclusive so get on with the game!


In addition, Football/Soccer being such a low scoring game means that a VAR decision might be deciding a team's only goal for the match.

A "Captain's Challenge" or whatever you want to call it for AFL would be bringing in an exploitable rule that seeks to prevent what exactly? How often are matches decided by clear umpiring errors, given that most adjudications in our game are interpretations and split second judgements, not binary choices?


It's easy to think up a scenario where a challenge system would be pox.

Less than a minute left and less than a goal down a midfielder gets a quick kick out of congestion to the edge of the centre square. The marking player is too far out to score and quickly pushes back from his mark to look for a lead. The ball was kicked out of the pack so the opposing team immediately calls a challenge even though it's clear to everyone that there was no touch.
Cue the video review where the shitty technology used means that the ball moves a foot between frames. The operator goes through the various angles interminably and after what seems like several minutes calls it as "insufficient evidence to see whether the ball is touched". Meanwhile, the defending team has parked 17 players in the forward 50. Super.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:38 am 
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Fremantle defender Jordan Clark was penalised for dissent against Carlton after using the expression “f***ing idiot” but has told the club he was berating himself for allowing opponent Matthew Cottrell to mark.


Yeah sure :wink:


I believe Clark . After all , he is a faaarking idiot for letting Cottrell mark the ball . Clark is known in footy circles as a whiny sook who never shuts up so the swings and roundabouts thing eventually got him . The little boy who cried wolf once too often and he got his right whack .

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:49 am 
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AGRO wrote:
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Fremantle defender Jordan Clark was penalised for dissent against Carlton after using the expression “f***ing idiot” but has told the club he was berating himself for allowing opponent Matthew Cottrell to mark.


Yeah sure :wink:



Watch the behind the goal footage. He's looking straight at the umpire while "berating himself".

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:16 am 
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Credit to Fremantle's coach, showed a lot of grace & class in his presser.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:19 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
AGRO wrote:
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Fremantle defender Jordan Clark was penalised for dissent against Carlton after using the expression “f***ing idiot” but has told the club he was berating himself for allowing opponent Matthew Cottrell to mark.


Yeah sure :wink:



Watch the behind the goal footage. He's looking straight at the umpire while "berating himself".


While being practically held back by teammates no less.

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DocSherrin III wrote:
killpies wrote:
Good article :thumbsup:


He's completely missed the point or has chosen to ignore it. No one is arguing that Freo's last few minutes were awful.

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Yes, his kick does brush Aish’s shoulder on the way through, but get real: there’s no chance an umpire can notice that (there's 4 of them), similar cases probably happen dozens of times every weekend (probably not) with no issues raised, and there’s no mechanism currently in place to overturn such a call (no shit Sherlock - the argument is that there should be).


There shouldn't be. It would be unworkable. Umpires have to make split second decisions without the benefit of slow mo replays. they will miss stuff. We already have too many umps making calls more inconsistent through games (4 interpretations of the same rules on the same ground)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:39 am 
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Wojee wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
The challenge system works fine in US sports which are just advertising vehicles anyway, and cricket, where there are natural stoppages and the technology is able to provide clear empirical evidence for binary questions like did the ball hit the bat or did it pitch in line with the stumps. In football, VAR has wrecked the sport because it turns those rare goals from moments of spontaneous joy into agonising waits as incompetent morons try to use videos and laser pointers to answer subjective questions like was that a natural arm movement or was that tackle careless or reckless. Learn the lessons, keep this shit out of Aussie Rules. I'd even do away with score reviews, they're almost always inconclusive so get on with the game!


In addition, Football/Soccer being such a low scoring game means that a VAR decision might be deciding a team's only goal for the match.

A "Captain's Challenge" or whatever you want to call it for AFL would be bringing in an exploitable rule that seeks to prevent what exactly? How often are matches decided by clear umpiring errors, given that most adjudications in our game are interpretations and split second judgements, not binary choices?


It's easy to think up a scenario where a challenge system would be pox.

Less than a minute left and less than a goal down a midfielder gets a quick kick out of congestion to the edge of the centre square. The marking player is too far out to score and quickly pushes back from his mark to look for a lead. The ball was kicked out of the pack so the opposing team immediately calls a challenge even though it's clear to everyone that there was no touch.
Cue the video review where the shitty technology used means that the ball moves a foot between frames. The operator goes through the various angles interminably and after what seems like several minutes calls it as "insufficient evidence to see whether the ball is touched". Meanwhile, the defending team has parked 17 players in the forward 50. Super.


The AFL can fix that, just add another rule that stipulates both teams must revert to the 666 start of play configuration once play resumes after a captains challenge to avoid teams parking the bus. To simulate the centre square we will have extra squares painted all over the ground especially for such play restarts if the umpire needs to bounce the ball.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:56 am 
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I would rather my team loses because a mark brushed someone's triceps on slo-mo replay, than be subjected to Captains Challenges.
Yeah, I'll whinge about it. But watching AFL games with more ridiculous reviews is a terrible idea.
The umpire on the boundary went to the video umpire when the Freo player clearly kicked the ball out of bounds, and they gave it the all clear. At least, that took a few seconds.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:20 am 
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Someone needs to tell the Freo defender, Draper it think his name is, that you cannot pull on your opponents jumper. He did it multiple time and got pulled up on most of them. He then looks at the umpire with a confused look.


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Give it a few years and we'll have AI umpires giving perfect decisions in real-time. Then a few years after that we'll have AI players and VR headsets for the crowd beaming them all their betting and merchandise options updated to align with specific match events that were programmed in advance. Welcome to the matrix.


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DocSherrin III wrote:
So one-eyed it borders on stupidity. When the shoe is on the other foot, Carlton fans will be the biggest bleeters...

Like every game day thread? lol

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I'm loving this! 22 years since the Riccardi incident. Finally!


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DocSherrin III wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Perhaps it is YOU who isn’t respecting the opponent, did you think of that?

You are giving Freo ZERO credit for their excellent execution of their game plan, albeit a very dull one.



:donk: :lol: Yet I'm critical of some players for not respecting their opponents? Does that not signify to you that I thought the opponent was half decent? Hmmm...maybe not.

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You made the comment that the players "drunk their own bathwater" - that clearly implies that the performance was all about us doing the wrong things and gives no credit to the ability of the opponent and the homework they did on us. Sometimes you just come up against a tough opponent that doesn't let you do what you want, and it has nothing to do with us getting ahead of ourselves and "drinking our own bathwater".

Oh and your other post re. karma.....you don't have to go back very far to see that it doesn't exist - if it did, Maynard would've been rubbed out and the Pies would've been knocked out. Instead, he played and they won the flag. There is no karma.

Some Blues fans are happier when we lose it seems.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:11 am 
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If this happened in the Suns Giants game no one would really care.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:24 am 
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If this happened in the Suns Giants game no one would really care.


It happened in the friggin Cats vs Dogs game, Stengle marked the ball over the line ffs!

He went back and kicked a goal when it should have been a point, and they won by LESS THAN A GOAL.

Geelong doesn't sell papers/get clicks like we do.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:55 am 
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Cotty would have snapped it through on the right foot if the mark wasnt called. Getting caught up in challenges and reviews would ruin that.

With umpiring you just have to go with the flow and hope your team is good enough to beat any bad luck they have with the calls throughout the game.

It is a hard game to umpire. As a spectator if you are going to get caught up in moaning about umpire decisions then AFL really isnt the sport for you.


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