My teams are so close to both of you.

Will be interesting to see where Haynes, Young, Gov and SOS play. SOS earmarked for KPD pushing out one of those named backmen.

Gov and SOS can play forward too: SOS 3rd tall/ ruck. If not, we will have 2 marking targets when Harry rucks, from Moir, Kemp, possibly Gov?

I'm a huge fan of Cincotta for his speed and football ability, and Surrey chooses him and omits Hewett with 2 forwards on the IC, 3 if Smith plays forward.

I think Vossy quickly acknowledged the mistake of his rotation policy between Hewett and Kennedy as sub or VFL. Hewett lasted only one game in the VFL, and Kennedy was traded. Point is, Hewett is much better than any of the optional heir apparent...Lord, Smith, Cincotta... and should not be underestimated in an endeavour to fit in kids, for the sake of it.

Like abns I'm am most confident with Young as the KPD with Weiters, atm, hoping he continues the form in his last 2 finals series, during the H&A; what he provides is his much needed height. I don't think Vossy trusts him. Personally, he's gone backwards after he surprised in early gamers. I think someone got into his head, and failed to encourage what worked for him and the team.

I have no doubt a capable KPD will be picked as an SSP. I feel the List Manager and coach will try and avoid injury prone Durdin if they can.

I really hope McMahon is selected, because I believe he's versatile enough, and played a few games as a KPD for Pies VFL when he was 18-19.

Otherwise, I think the list looks fantastic, with the 2 Irish boys learning the trade. Gotta nail this last pick, for a perfect draft season. I know Austin can leave it for the MSD.

Other than Ollie, Cowan and Smith, the other kids can ply their trade in the VFL, and I'm aware some can stake a challenge in the Best 23. Only 23 spots each week.

Heaps of pressure on Fogarty and Williams. Watch out. Baby blues are coming.

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I like Young back in your team Bondi. Would love the MC to do that.
I would replace McG with SoS in a heartbeat.
I just don’t see the MC doing it either of the above as they are obsessed with one in and one out.

Do you guys think Monaghan is going to make it ?

It’s early, but i haven’t seen any signs yet. You can generally see something small here in there in new players, but haven’t seen much with him yet……

I have a feeling Duffy was meant to be the one, and Monahan there to support him.

What’s everyone’s thoughts on this ?

Don’t think the two lads had ever met until they got to Carlton.

Monahan has been playing half forward in the ressies. There isn’t a worse spot on the ground to learn the game. You’ll learn plenty about yourself, but not the game.

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B: Newman Weitering Haynes
HB: Saad McGovern Cowan
C: Acres Cripps O.Hollands
HF: Fogarty McKay E.Hollands
F: Williams Curnow Smith

R: DeKoning Hewitt Walsh

Inter/Sub: Boyd, Lord, Silvagni, Cerra - Kemp

The Rest to backfill as required......

C Durdin, Moir, Young, Docherty, Cottrell, Motlop, Cincotta, Binns, Fantasia, Pittonet

Doc needs to tear it up in the VFL to push ahead of a few. We need more games into Boyd, Kemp, Lord, Cowan, O and E Hollands and an early taster for Smith. Smith's goal sense, liveliness and smarts get him an instant look in.

Cottrell misses on the wings and HFF because of the others ahead. Lord needs to play if they have such high hopes.
Sorry, I still can't come at Young, unless there is an emergency - Then Break Glass.

Fogarty, Williams and Smith keep Motlop and Durdin out initially. No spot for Moir if Silvagni plays as a 2nd Ruck/Utility.

Regards Cazzesman

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Its a strange situation surrey.

Young was a surprise packet when thrown into the deep end to fill Weitering's boots when he was first called to the team. Then something happened to him. Something not right.
I feel it was a case of too many cooks telling him what to do and what not to do, and his development was stifled along with his confidence.

I think Young has been pigeon holed and not allowed to flourish. You see it when he's going for his marks, marks he'd swallow, then pull out because a senior player called it, only to drop it. Who gets blamed for that? Young. What is he blamed for? Indecision and lacking confidence. Why did it happen? because YToung's team mate didnt have confidence Young would mark it. Ridiculous situation. Young is a GREAT mark. Like Casboult, lacks some class, but fk he's a great mark.

I think SOS was OK as the Fwd Ruck, but felt TDK was a better marking weapon than SOS, when Pitto was first ruck. But since Pitto's injury and form drop after GWS game, TDK is no doubt first choice ruck, and I'm desperate for a Fwd Ruck and 2 marking targets when Fwd Ruck leaves the forward line. Its pretty obvious, if SOS doesnt ruck, Harry will provide the chop out.

If SOS makes it as a KPD, and I have full confidence he will due to his strength and smarts compensating for his height deficiency, then the 3rd tall role is between Moir Kemp and Gov. I'd have Gov ahead of Kemp, but I would try and get as many games into Moir this year as possible for his development.

No one knows what will happen. The list looks fantastic. But what we can count on is a lot of the under 21yo's will be pushing their case.

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Duffy is the allround athletic unicorn. Can jump, Sprint fast. Stamina and endurance. Strength.

Monaghan does a few things right, showing his speed. But he doesn't read the game well, therefore hardly see him win his own ball, or get ball. Until he learns to read the game and is taught where to be and what to do, and that will take another year or two, he wont be able to show his physical weapons of strength and speed for this game imo. I wouldn't give up on either of these 2 specimens. But Duffy is the ticket. Made for AFL.

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I'd rather see Monahan behind the ball and be learning the game by being led to the ball.
He's on a hiding to nothing forward because a) lack of experience makes it hard to impact and B) teammates aren't as likely to look for or use him.

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Its a good team, despite leaving out familiar names from 2024.

Absolutely love to see Smith in a FP, keeping Durdin and Motlop very hungry.

FYI, Diesel said last week, Gov and Kemp are not lockdown defenders. I wont say the word he used.
If that's the case, and SOS will be training with defenders this summer, and if he doesn't make it as a defender this year, then it will be Haynes and Weitering is Young is "break glass" option. Diesel said Haynes is a good one on one defender and a great intercept 3rd tall.

Young was up for grabs in the trade period. That says it all. I totally get why and hopefully we don't need him. I think we will against the tall forward lines with 3 headed monster.

The Doc selection, in his last year, will be interesting. Does MC select best available, if Doc is it, then so be it, or, push out Doc, to blood some kid. Big preseason ahead.

Have you seen the list look this good in the last 2 decades Cazz?

What gaps do you see on our list assuming we take Durdin/ DGB/McMahon as an SSP?

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Agree with this and Crusader's last post alluded to this too. It was his first year of footy in 2024. Im sure he knows more about playing the game better after this next preseason.

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Yep i think Duffy is the one. Cant see it with Monaghan at the moment. Let’s see.

It is an exciting list Bondi. If Liam Jones was still with us, I would even be putting my hard-earned on us. CHB is the issue.

If Innes can get Sam Durdin fit and Healthy, it would help tremendously. I have very little faith in Young whilst his own confidence is so flakey. I get the issue with Kemp and Gov, but hopefully Hayes can be the missing intercepting link. Kemp is still young and IMHO he is too good to let fade away in the VFL.

Does SOS have the leg speed to play KPD? It does worry me. Could Liam McMahon play KPD?

If the status quo can be maintained, and we keep our A Graders on the park, then solid seasons from guys like Cera, E and O Hollands, Lord and Cowan will tell us how far we can go into September.

Regards Cazzesman

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Jumper numbers revealed

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/16968 ... d-for-2025

7 Smith
16 Ben
21 Lucas
22 HOF
26 Haynes
28 H4
41 Duffy

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Oops sorry Jezza.

Regards Cazzesman

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jack sos should never be played as a kpd not quick enough but i was thinking if he gets that cameo ruck roll ,he should be drifting down and taking those intercepting marks /filling the holes after all he is a smart footballer

Read an interesting article okay in the age about number of players of 30 at each club. Pies win with ten. We have six, and five of the six are first 18 defenders, except for Williams who was a defender until very recently. I can see why we went for a couple of defenders in the draft instead of a small fwd.

True . I would be looking at a young Key Defender apart from O"Farrell as a rookie .

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I put forward an argument against, in response to an abns post (IIRC) holding a similar view as yours Mickstar.
I may be wrong given Haynes and Gov are in their 30's, and the MC are willing to part with Young, and SOS hasn't been tried yet.
But I know we have yet to replace Jones and Young didn't come on as we thought he would. Its a gap this year.

I want SOS as a Fwd Ruck, but would be pleased if he could fill that CHB position.
If so, we have Young as cover for the 2 KP roles, and Haynes and Gov will compete for the intercept role.

If SOS doesn't succeed as a KPD, then we are short in defence and must go with Young or the much shorter Gov/Haynes options.
Is that enough cover for a KPD? or, do we need a ready made KPD to fill the gap, or at the very least, for cover?

If we have 2 SSP spots, then I would consider one open for the MSD, and hope for a Sam Collins clone breaks out in 2025.

If we go for a young Key defender to develop, then we have to throw everything we can at Sam DeKoning in next Trade period.
If we are a chance to win Sam's services, then a young key would make sense, and hope we have enough cover for height in the backline, if not, hope theres a beauty in the MSD.

I can't get Sam DeKoning out of my head.

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He has to be tried imo.

He may surprise. His footy IQ may be the reason he succeeds.

If he has recovered from his ACL, he has developed a good tank to go with a mobile CHF.

About 4 years ago, he was training with the midfield group. He kept up OK for that role.

Like anyone, I'm sceptical, but its either SOS or Young as a KPB, or we have to rely on 192cm Haynes who is a better intercept mark and one on one defender than Gov.

Have to wait and hope.

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I reckon a 200 game All Australian body of work at CHB is enough to just be Haynes, not 192cm Haynes.

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