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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:36 am 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Can't offer a future first 1st unless we get a future 3rd in


Surely our future 1st and pick 22 to move up this years draft and get a future 3rd back to make afl happy? We can even throw in one of our 500 future 4ths we've picked up if need be.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
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 Post subject: Trade/Draft Period
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Future First and the Barnaby French pick should get it done

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:47 am 
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If early bids come in for the Gold Coast Academy kids then essentially our pick 28 becomes pick 25 as their picks 24, 26, 27 essentially get wiped. So we turned 16 (excluding the Ben McKay nonsense) into 22 and 25.

I think our future first and one of those 2 picks might be offered for us to go up the order.

24, 26 & 27 get replaced with 2, 6 & 10 or wherever the bids come.

Walter, Read, Rogers, Croft & McCabe will all attract bids inside the first 20 selections. At this stage, Walter aside, the surrendered picks will all be 30+.

Our picks will be 27 & 30.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 1:03 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Let reassess the woeful Carlton Recruiting

Then - So we started with 16, 65, 73, 91

Now - Carlton: 22, 28, 70, 78, 96

We helped some good lads, but bit players, who weren't in our future plans, get to teams they wanted. Tick

Freed up some cap space. Tick

Grabbed some Irish lads prior to - under Cat B. Tick

Grabbed a former top 10 draft pick, who obviously has AFL skills. It is all up to him now. Tick

Hopefully got enough points via extra 2024 picks for the Twins in 2024 Tick

Turned 16 into 22 and 28. Tick

Yeah/Nah - I think an honest man would say - Fair Enough.

Regards Cazzesman


Great summary of the Trading period.

Austin continues his class act which reflects greatly on the new Carlton.
No Dodoro shenanigans. No old world breast beating like Elliot.
Working the other 17 List Managers with respect and within the law of the land is smart.
Every List Manager wants the best for their club.
Austin has done very well.

Adding Hollands is a great move trade given the injury history of Martin and Cuningham.

I didnt like delisting 2 young ones in Philp and Honey, but someone had to go if not the injury prone Marchbank and Cuningham, and Fogarty whose value increased in the 2nd half of the season.

I feel confident in our current list. We are not that far off.
We ran out of puff playing at the Gabba, and we could've pinched it.

I still think the No 1 ruck is the area we need to improve in, and that may still come from Pitto TDK and SOS, but ruck is not holding us back.

We didn't need to make too many changes and didn't create any disruptions to our best 26.

Pressure next year for list spots, let alone team spots, with a dozen coming out of contract and our salary cap will be in great shape at the end of next year.

Now lets see what Austin can do with picks 22, 28, 70, 78 and 96. Hopefully cash them in for 2 great kids, and a huge preseason to take the next step or two in 2024. Its our time.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:28 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Pressure next year for list spots, let alone team spots, with a dozen coming out of contract and our salary cap will be in great shape at the end of next year.


Not particularly concerned about the next group out of contract:

Cincotta
Mirkov
Marchbank (RFA)
C.Durdin
Cuningham (RFA)
Akuei
O'Keeffe
Carroll
Martin
Boyd
Fogarty
Cottrell (UFA)
Owies
S.Durdin (UFA)

But Austin likely has some work to do next season re: the pre-agents and/or contracts thru to 2025.

Cerra
Saad
Acres
Kemp
Hewett
Lemmey
Silvagni (UFA)
Weitering (UFA)
Binns
Motlop
Kennedy (UFA)
Newman
Docherty (UFA)
De Koning (RFA)

If you're analysing the list and looking to trade up to Geelong's pick - there'd be more than a few taking notice of where Connor O'Sullivan falls. We're extremely light on for quality big defenders.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:31 pm 
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What's the story with players that change clubs and free agency?
Doesn't the clock reset?

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:27 pm 
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https://www.zerohanger.com/afl/afl-draft-order-2024/

Hit the 'Club Picks' tab and you will see our current picks in 2024.

The 1,2 means picks in those rounds, with actual number yet to be decided of course.

So I guess we have some currency, if we wanted to bundle some picks (2023 and 2024) to move higher inside top 10 in this years draft.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:37 pm 
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1 WCE
2 NMFC
3 NMFC
4 HAW
5 WB
6 MELB
7 GWS
8 GEEL
9 ESS
10 ADEL
11 MELB
12 SYD
13 STK
14 ADEL
15 NMFC


Who from that lot might swap out for what we have which is basically.........

2023 - 22, 28
2024 - First Rd (14-18?), Second Rd (28-36).

Regards Cazzesman

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:53 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
If early bids come in for the Gold Coast Academy kids then essentially our pick 28 becomes pick 25 as their picks 24, 26, 27 essentially get wiped. So we turned 16 (excluding the Ben McKay nonsense) into 22 and 25.

I think our future first and one of those 2 picks might be offered for us to go up the order.

24, 26 & 27 get replaced with 2, 6 & 10 or wherever the bids come.

Walter, Read, Rogers, Croft & McCabe will all attract bids inside the first 20 selections. At this stage, Walter aside, the surrendered picks will all be 30+.

Our picks will be 27 & 30.

I don't see that terribly mattering, the same number of available players will have been drafted no matter how many academy/father-son picks end up shuffling the order around.

Plus we've had much better luck with 27 & 30 compared to 22 & 28...

27: Zac Fisher, Jesse Motlop
30: Tom de Koning
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22: Josh Bootsma
28: Dillon Viojo-Rainbow

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:15 pm 
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Not sure if any of our SANFL watchers have come across a kid by the name of Will Rowlands (Norwood), but I recently had a Simone Adamley moment (best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who) said multiple clubs are keen, yet no draft rankings I've seen have him on it. Very little footage out there but from what there is, looks a likely type. Suns would have access as he's a Darwin product, but not an Academy selection. Was invited to combine - came over, but apparently didn't test. Has all the attributes you'd want of a very good small forward. One to consider if we have a late-ish pick perhaps.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:54 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
1 WCE
2 NMFC
3 NMFC
4 HAW
5 WB
6 MELB
7 GWS
8 GEEL
9 ESS
10 ADEL
11 MELB
12 SYD
13 STK
14 ADEL
15 NMFC


Who from that lot might swap out for what we have which is basically.........

2023 - 22, 28
2024 - First Rd (14-18?), Second Rd (28-36).

Regards Cazzesman


Wasn't it rumoured Geelong wanted to trade out their first?
If so:
Pick #8 - 1551pts
Picks #22, #28 & #70 - 1561pts

How many spots do we have to fill again?


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:57 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
Not sure if any of our SANFL watchers have come across a kid by the name of Will Rowlands (Norwood), but I recently had a Simone Adamley moment (best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who) said multiple clubs are keen, yet no draft rankings I've seen have him on it. Very little footage out there but from what there is, looks a likely type. Suns would have access as he's a Darwin product, but not an Academy selection. Was invited to combine - came over, but apparently didn't test. Has all the attributes you'd want of a very good small forward. One to consider if we have a late-ish pick perhaps.


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Height: 179cm
Weight: 76kg

SNAPSHOT: “A powerful, quick midfielder-forward who hits the scoreboard, Will Rowlands is among the most well travelled prospect this year.”
Northern Territory native Will Rowlands has mixed his junior footballing journey with a host of clubs and representative sides over the years. He boasts senior experience with Southern Districts in the NTFL, but spent the last few years boarding in South Australia and turning out for Norwood.
Rowlands has also played representative football for the NT Thunder in the Coates Talent League and was part of the title-winning Allies squad during this year’s Under 18 National Championships. A shoulder injury cut is carnival short, but Rowlands returned later in the year to make his SANFL Reserves debut.
Having graduated from school last year, Rowlands remained in South Australia during the 2023 season and is currently back home in anticipation of the draft. His National Draft Combine invite is proof of AFL interest after a strong year, though he sat out testing on the day.


https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/william-rowlands/


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:04 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
1 WCE
2 NMFC
3 NMFC
4 HAW
5 WB
6 MELB
7 GWS
8 GEEL
9 ESS
10 ADEL
11 MELB
12 SYD
13 STK
14 ADEL
15 NMFC


Who from that lot might swap out for what we have which is basically.........

2023 - 22, 28
2024 - First Rd (14-18?), Second Rd (28-36).

Regards Cazzesman


Wasn't it rumoured Geelong wanted to trade out their first?
If so:
Pick #8 - 1551pts
Picks #22, #28 & #70 - 1561pts

How many spots do we have to fill again?

It's going to take a lot more than 10 points premium to get into the top 10

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
1 WCE
2 NMFC
3 NMFC
4 HAW
5 WB
6 MELB
7 GWS
8 GEEL
9 ESS
10 ADEL
11 MELB
12 SYD
13 STK
14 ADEL
15 NMFC


Who from that lot might swap out for what we have which is basically.........

2023 - 22, 28
2024 - First Rd (14-18?), Second Rd (28-36).

Regards Cazzesman


Wasn't it rumoured Geelong wanted to trade out their first?
If so:
Pick #8 - 1551pts
Picks #22, #28 & #70 - 1561pts

How many spots do we have to fill again?

It's going to take a lot more than 10 points premium to get into the top 10

We’ll get a couple of good players with 22 & 28 (roughly 27 & 30 after five bids get matched).

Someone mentioned Cincotta was moving to the primary list, so it looks like 70 & 78 will be up for grabs on the night & that last rookie spot held over for the SSP. Gold Coast (Graham) & Hawthorn (Jiath &/or Dear) are a chance. Sydney (Cleary) & Doggies (Lual) have more than enough points.
Both picks will land in the late 50s, so hopefully we can extract a future 3rd, but any future pick will get a deal done.

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 Post subject: Trade/Draft Period
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WTF is this Tom Brown 'Carlton has been caught draft tampering, no 2024 or 2025 first round pick' stuff?



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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:54 pm 
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billc3 wrote:
WTF is this Tom Brown 'Carlton has been caught draft tampering, no 2024 or 2025 first round pick' stuff?



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Fake account.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
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Crusader wrote:
billc3 wrote:
WTF is this Tom Brown 'Carlton has been caught draft tampering, no 2024 or 2025 first round pick' stuff?



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Fake account.


Thanks Crusader. :thumbsup:... Hope so... Thus why asking... Love how i get it forwarded to me.... But I can't find 'corroboration' anywhere

In a world with more info , I would have thought we might be getting smarter...
(slaps head)

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
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The AFL have been giving the interstate teams a free ride with these Acadamy picks for years and not one team has raised an eyebrow ….. father sons are the issue though. FMD.


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 Post subject: Trade/Draft Period
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Yep. How do you get enough points to just buy 3 picks in the top 28 ?

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