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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:38 pm 
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kezza wrote:
BamBam7 wrote:
Is it just me, or did the Dogs make out like bandits in the Dow trade?

I actually think the Saints got the worst deal.

For us and Essendon***, it was kind of just "meh".

I am totally confused by the whole thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:45 pm 
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We got nothing for Dow, pure and simple. I don't particularly care that we got nothing, but fact is fact. We got sweet @#$%&! all.

I really don't like the risk we've taken with the future pick swaps. I ain't a gambler and highly risk averse. All I see is the chance that we actually end up costing ourselves draft points that, for the first time ever, we actually need. We haven't banked extra. We've gambled on finishing higher than both dogs and cheats. Guess we'll know in 12 months time what the value of this trade has been.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:46 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
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And SOS doesnt think Dow is worth pick 3? He is being a moron.

McAdam is 28 and has played 7 games this year i think. And melbourne gave up round 2. Pretty good.


Furthermore, McAdam shouldn't even be on an AFL list yet Melbourne coughs up a 2nd rounder for a forward pocket who is 28 and barely kicks a goal a game.
A bloke who is out of contract and has had zero interest for any other club.


McAdam is pretty good
Averages 1.4 goals a game
Martin averages .9
Just one more stupid comment


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:20 pm 
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keogh wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
And SOS doesnt think Dow is worth pick 3? He is being a moron.

McAdam is 28 and has played 7 games this year i think. And melbourne gave up round 2. Pretty good.


Furthermore, McAdam shouldn't even be on an AFL list yet Melbourne coughs up a 2nd rounder for a forward pocket who is 28 and barely kicks a goal a game.
A bloke who is out of contract and has had zero interest for any other club.


McAdam is pretty good
Averages 1.4 goals a game
Martin averages .9
Just one more stupid comment


Agree.
Just one more stupid comment from you.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:47 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
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And SOS doesnt think Dow is worth pick 3? He is being a moron.

McAdam is 28 and has played 7 games this year i think. And melbourne gave up round 2. Pretty good.


Furthermore, McAdam shouldn't even be on an AFL list yet Melbourne coughs up a 2nd rounder for a forward pocket who is 28 and barely kicks a goal a game.
A bloke who is out of contract and has had zero interest for any other club.


Melbourne over paid, but McAdam averages a goal and a half per game and turned down a 2 year contract at the Crows for a 3 year deal at the Demons.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:57 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
We got nothing for Dow, pure and simple. I don't particularly care that we got nothing, but fact is fact. We got sweet @#$%&! all.

I really don't like the risk we've taken with the future pick swaps. I ain't a gambler and highly risk averse. All I see is the chance that we actually end up costing ourselves draft points that, for the first time ever, we actually need. We haven't banked extra. We've gambled on finishing higher than both dogs and cheats. Guess we'll know in 12 months time what the value of this trade has been.


Feel a bit the same. I didn’t expect much for Dow, but I’d almost sit more comfortably if we just took a Saints future 4th and moved on. Now we’re gambling on finishing positions ending in our favour.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:58 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
I have to say this................................you lot are mostly sad.

3rd and 4th round picks aren't so much about the # but the points value for future trades, such as the twins. If they turn out alright (just like any pick turns out alright) then the Dow move has been worth it. We are 4 years from checking this fact, I guess.

So let's look at Dow..........Not wanted by the Club. So that is the real discussion point here. Ask Colourman, apparently, he has an opinion on Dow's worth. Along the way maybe have a dip at SOS for picking him in the first place.

His movement frees up Salary space. There were No other takers than StKilda. So the only other option was we say, 'stuff you SOS' and Dow goes into the Freebie draft and we get nothing. Yep, that's a win/win for someone's ego. :eek: Not much business sense there at all. That would have been all emotion and no common sense.

Every supporter wants to buy low and sell high, but it doesn't always work that way. The entire system is compromised, and the rules are so Grey it is laughable. Austin is just trying to make the best out the trading maze.

Dow is not the difference between 16 and 17 and everyone on TC, except Colourman, probably understands that fact. Try to remember that in recent years the club picked up Acres, Cera and Hewitt. They go okay.

Regards Cazzesman

In part, the success of the trade depends on us finishing higher than Essendon** next year.

While I acknowledge what you’re saying about the system being compromised, it’s a bit shit that we lost Setterfield & Dow in successive years for basically nothing. And the Fisher trade just made par IMO. It’s not that I rate those guys super highly, but I do think our depth is impacted.


Elijah Hollands for Dow in the grand scheme of things.

Par for Fisher is fine. Plenty there to replace his input.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:08 am 
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rhino27 wrote:
keogh wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
And SOS doesnt think Dow is worth pick 3? He is being a moron.

McAdam is 28 and has played 7 games this year i think. And melbourne gave up round 2. Pretty good.


Furthermore, McAdam shouldn't even be on an AFL list yet Melbourne coughs up a 2nd rounder for a forward pocket who is 28 and barely kicks a goal a game.
A bloke who is out of contract and has had zero interest for any other club.


McAdam is pretty good
Averages 1.4 goals a game
Martin averages .9
Just one more stupid comment



You see
When you say something stupid and someone points out that your wrong with the facts you just go for the man
Everyone knows I reckon he can play
His role up forward for The Crows was to play the deepest forward
Deeper than Tex
That’s why his possession rate is low
The guy is quick a fantastic mark for his size and applies could forward defensive pressure
To say he is not worthy to be on an AFL list is simply a dumb thing to say

It’s ok to be a bit biased but many on this site just go too far


Agree.
Just one more stupid comment from you.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:14 am 
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Think you need to edit & fix up the quote function there keogh

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:59 pm 
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keogh wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
keogh wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
And SOS doesnt think Dow is worth pick 3? He is being a moron.

McAdam is 28 and has played 7 games this year i think. And melbourne gave up round 2. Pretty good.


Furthermore, McAdam shouldn't even be on an AFL list yet Melbourne coughs up a 2nd rounder for a forward pocket who is 28 and barely kicks a goal a game.
A bloke who is out of contract and has had zero interest for any other club.


McAdam is pretty good
Averages 1.4 goals a game
Martin averages .9
Just one more stupid comment



You see
When you say something stupid and someone points out that your wrong with the facts you just go for the man
Everyone knows I reckon he can play
His role up forward for The Crows was to play the deepest forward
Deeper than Tex
That’s why his possession rate is low
The guy is quick a fantastic mark for his size and applies could forward defensive pressure
To say he is not worthy to be on an AFL list is simply a dumb thing to say

It’s ok to be a bit biased but many on this site just go too far


Agree.
Just one more stupid comment from you.


So he plays a different role to Martin. Why compare the goal stats? That is my stupid comment.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:05 pm 
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Apparently Hollands deal done.
Our future 3rd pick (tied to Essendon*) and a swap of pick 26 for 28.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:22 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
We got nothing for Dow, pure and simple. I don't particularly care that we got nothing, but fact is fact. We got sweet @#$%&! all.

I really don't like the risk we've taken with the future pick swaps. I ain't a gambler and highly risk averse. All I see is the chance that we actually end up costing ourselves draft points that, for the first time ever, we actually need. We haven't banked extra. We've gambled on finishing higher than both dogs and cheats. Guess we'll know in 12 months time what the value of this trade has been.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:22 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Apparently Hollands deal done.
Our future 3rd pick (tied to Essendon**) and a swap of pick 26 for 28.


Oh dear...the highest future pick we have. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:38 pm 
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Hollands done. Future 3rd to GC. We get back a Future 4th. We change 26 to 28 which as we know wont make a difference.

We did well here.


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 Post subject: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:56 pm 
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So we traded Fisher, Dow 17 and a future 3rd for 21, 4 future 4th rounders and Elijah Hollands.

mighta missed something but that's bloody solid.

outside chance of trading up to pick 8 still too

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:00 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
We got nothing for Dow, pure and simple. I don't particularly care that we got nothing, but fact is fact. We got sweet @#$%&! all.

I really don't like the risk we've taken with the future pick swaps. I ain't a gambler and highly risk averse. All I see is the chance that we actually end up costing ourselves draft points that, for the first time ever, we actually need. We haven't banked extra. We've gambled on finishing higher than both dogs and cheats. Guess we'll know in 12 months time what the value of this trade has been.


If we don't finish above the dogs and the cheats we ought to give it away.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:05 pm 
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Let reassess the woeful Carlton Recruiting

Then - So we started with 16, 65, 73, 91

Now - Carlton: 22, 28, 70, 78, 96

We helped some good lads, but bit players, who weren't in our future plans, get to teams they wanted. Tick

Freed up some cap space. Tick

Grabbed some Irish lads prior to - under Cat B. Tick

Grabbed a former top 10 draft pick, who obviously has AFL skills. It is all up to him now. Tick

Hopefully got enough points via extra 2024 picks for the Twins in 2024 Tick

Turned 16 into 22 and 28. Tick

Yeah/Nah - I think an honest man would say - Fair Enough.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:14 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Let reassess the woeful Carlton Recruiting

Then - So we started with 16, 65, 73, 91

Now - Carlton: 22, 28, 70, 78, 96

We helped some good lads, but bit players, who weren't in our future plans, get to teams they wanted. Tick

Freed up some cap space. Tick

Grabbed some Irish lads prior to - under Cat B. Tick

Grabbed a former top 10 draft pick, who obviously has AFL skills. It is all up to him now. Tick

Hopefully got enough points via extra 2024 picks for the Twins in 2024 Tick

Turned 16 into 22 and 28. Tick

Yeah/Nah - I think an honest man would say - Fair Enough.

Regards Cazzesman


Well summarised Caz

And I like the look of Hollands….doesn’t seem to be one that drops his head. Every chance he’ll maximise any potential in an environment he’s happy in


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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:18 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Let reassess the woeful Carlton Recruiting

Then - So we started with 16, 65, 73, 91

Now - Carlton: 22, 28, 70, 78, 96

We helped some good lads, but bit players, who weren't in our future plans, get to teams they wanted. Tick

Freed up some cap space. Tick

Grabbed some Irish lads prior to - under Cat B. Tick

Grabbed a former top 10 draft pick, who obviously has AFL skills. It is all up to him now. Tick

Hopefully got enough points via extra 2024 picks for the Twins in 2024 Tick


Turned 16 into 22 and 28. Tick

Yeah/Nah - I think an honest man would say - Fair Enough.

Regards Cazzesman


Yeah i'm stalking you Cazz . At this time of year you shine pal . Its your meat and potatoes you might say .
I particularly like your third point RE assisting a couple of ripping young blokes get to there preferred destinations . Thats good form for mine . With a bit of luck they will help Lachine out .
And i also liked your last point about doing OK . No chest beating or boasting about being the big winners of the trade . As you have pointed out many times Cazz everybody is in the same caper and what goes around comes around . Only a mug would grandstand at this time .
Now Cazz , get to work on the draft and give us the good oil on who;s who in the zoo .

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 Post subject: Re: Trade/Draft Period
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thegezman wrote:
So we traded Fisher, Dow 17 and a future 3rd for 21, 4 future 4th rounders and Elijah Hollands.

mighta missed something but that's bloody solid.

outside chance of trading up to pick 8 still too

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