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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:16 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
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Don't mind it.
Run run run.
And keep running.

This game will show whether ruckmen are important or not.
2 genuine rucks against none.

Go blues!


Yep.

Asks a lot from our mids.
And they have been hunting rather than hunted and our boys are up to that game from what Ive seen last 2 weeks against Witts Casboult Reeves & Meek

What it says to me, if we continue to succeed without our rucks, is that TDK and Pitto don't really give us what we want from rucks.

If you don’t want what Pittonet brings as a ruckman, then you don’t want a ruckman.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/28/the-second-biggest-gap-on-record-the-stark-gap-between-carltons-ruckmen/

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Champion Data’s Daniel Hoyne has revealed that the difference between the pair in the ruck is one of the biggest on record between two ruckmen at the same club in recent memory.

“It’s an interesting debate for the Blues with what they do with the two rucks. When Marc Pittonet attends a ruck contest, Carlton wins the clearance seven per cent more than their opposition – a really good return,” Hoyne told SEN’s Sportsday.

“When Tom De Koning attends a ruck contest, they lose the clearance seven per cent more often than their opposition.

“That’s a gap of 14 per cent between the two rucks and the second biggest gap on the record between one ruck to the second ruck within a club over our time.


End of story.


lol ... it's not the end of the story. around the ground tdk has a much bigger impact and influence on the game. meanwhile you wouldn't even know pittonet is out there. he's invisible.

can't run, can't mark, can't read the play and get ahead of it.

other than tapping it at stoppages, pittonet might be the worst ruck in the comp for all the other things.


baffling we gave him 4 more years. it musta been dirt cheap.


100%. Dont know what anyone sees In Pitto let alone give him 4 years. I dont even know he is playing unless i see him in the ruck.

TDK is much more present in game. Not the best in ruckwork but is young enough to work on it with him.

We need to recruit an experienced ruckman and have TDK in tandem.

But we are stuck with Pitto now unfortunately and could lose TDK.


Lat 2 posts have got it.

IMO neither TDK and Pitto are giving us the package we need from a ruckman.
Both have more weaknesses than strengths against bonafide rucks.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:16 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
diesel_85 wrote:
Don't mind it.
Run run run.
And keep running.

This game will show whether ruckmen are important or not.
2 genuine rucks against none.

Go blues!


Yep.

Asks a lot from our mids.
And they have been hunting rather than hunted and our boys are up to that game from what Ive seen last 2 weeks against Witts Casboult Reeves & Meek

What it says to me, if we continue to succeed without our rucks, is that TDK and Pitto don't really give us what we want from rucks.

If you don’t want what Pittonet brings as a ruckman, then you don’t want a ruckman.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/28/the-second-biggest-gap-on-record-the-stark-gap-between-carltons-ruckmen/

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Champion Data’s Daniel Hoyne has revealed that the difference between the pair in the ruck is one of the biggest on record between two ruckmen at the same club in recent memory.

“It’s an interesting debate for the Blues with what they do with the two rucks. When Marc Pittonet attends a ruck contest, Carlton wins the clearance seven per cent more than their opposition – a really good return,” Hoyne told SEN’s Sportsday.

“When Tom De Koning attends a ruck contest, they lose the clearance seven per cent more often than their opposition.

“That’s a gap of 14 per cent between the two rucks and the second biggest gap on the record between one ruck to the second ruck within a club over our time.


End of story.


lol ... it's not the end of the story. around the ground tdk has a much bigger impact and influence on the game. meanwhile you wouldn't even know pittonet is out there. he's invisible.

can't run, can't mark, can't read the play and get ahead of it.

other than tapping it at stoppages, pittonet might be the worst ruck in the comp for all the other things.


baffling we gave him 4 more years. it musta been dirt cheap.

Other than being top five in the comp at the position, he’s probably outside the top five for everything else.

You say baffling. I say clueless.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:01 pm 
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Hewett Cowan and Ed Curnow are not playing VFL.
One will be sub the other 2 emergencies.

If you were Cowan or Hewett would you take the sub off Ed?
If the group is as close and selfless as they say, Ed plays sub.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:23 pm 
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I'm just hoping the coaching staff have a couple of plan b's up their sleeves. Qould also help any plans are triggered prior to the horse bolting

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:50 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Hewett Cowan and Ed Curnow are not playing VFL.
One will be sub the other 2 emergencies.

If you were Cowan or Hewett would you take the sub off Ed?
If the group is as close and selfless as they say, Ed plays sub.



I don't really understand this push for Ed to play because it's his brother's 100th game :?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 4:06 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Hewett Cowan and Ed Curnow are not playing VFL.
One will be sub the other 2 emergencies.

If you were Cowan or Hewett would you take the sub off Ed?
If the group is as close and selfless as they say, Ed plays sub.



I don't really understand this push for Ed to play because it's his brother's 100th game :?

Because we all love Ed. No logic.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 4:38 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:19 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Hewett Cowan and Ed Curnow are not playing VFL.
One will be sub the other 2 emergencies.

If you were Cowan or Hewett would you take the sub off Ed?
If the group is as close and selfless as they say, Ed plays sub.



I don't really understand this push for Ed to play because it's his brother's 100th game :?


And people wonder why we've done nothing for 20 years.

Anyway, now that results have been going our way and have a sniff, expecting us to get comprehensively beaten tomorrow lol.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 12:03 am 
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I reckon we'll be good Carlton tomorrow

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 5:37 am 
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Chance to jump up 4 places on the ladder and be one game outside of 8

We will get flogged

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:49 am 
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Chance to jump up 4 places on the ladder and be one game outside of 8

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Yep This is pretty much how I see it going - lose by 25 after coming back then conceding g the last 4 goals.

I’m so scarred.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:55 am 
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Crusader wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
diesel_85 wrote:
Don't mind it.
Run run run.
And keep running.

This game will show whether ruckmen are important or not.
2 genuine rucks against none.

Go blues!


Yep.

Asks a lot from our mids.
And they have been hunting rather than hunted and our boys are up to that game from what Ive seen last 2 weeks against Witts Casboult Reeves & Meek

What it says to me, if we continue to succeed without our rucks, is that TDK and Pitto don't really give us what we want from rucks.

If you don’t want what Pittonet brings as a ruckman, then you don’t want a ruckman.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/28/the-second-biggest-gap-on-record-the-stark-gap-between-carltons-ruckmen/

Quote:
Champion Data’s Daniel Hoyne has revealed that the difference between the pair in the ruck is one of the biggest on record between two ruckmen at the same club in recent memory.

“It’s an interesting debate for the Blues with what they do with the two rucks. When Marc Pittonet attends a ruck contest, Carlton wins the clearance seven per cent more than their opposition – a really good return,” Hoyne told SEN’s Sportsday.

“When Tom De Koning attends a ruck contest, they lose the clearance seven per cent more often than their opposition.

“That’s a gap of 14 per cent between the two rucks and the second biggest gap on the record between one ruck to the second ruck within a club over our time.


End of story.


lol ... it's not the end of the story. around the ground tdk has a much bigger impact and influence on the game. meanwhile you wouldn't even know pittonet is out there. he's invisible.

can't run, can't mark, can't read the play and get ahead of it.

other than tapping it at stoppages, pittonet might be the worst ruck in the comp for all the other things.


baffling we gave him 4 more years. it musta been dirt cheap.

Other than being top five in the comp at the position, he’s probably outside the top five for everything else.

You say baffling. I say clueless.



lol ... he's no where near top 5 rucks in the comp... in one single metric he might be, but rucking is made up of a dozen metrics.

we could name 15 rucks from around the comp who we'd take over pittonet.


great rucks make pitto look like vfl standard, and mac isn't even great.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:58 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Chance to jump up 4 places on the ladder and be one game outside of 8

We will get flogged

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i don't know what to expect. if we play how we have been, we could win. but also; if we play how we have been, we could get done by 40-50pts.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:14 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Chance to jump up 4 places on the ladder and be one game outside of 8

We will get flogged

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i don't know what to expect. if we play how we have been, we could win. but also; if we play how we have been, we could get done by 40-50pts.

Even playing badly we rarely got smashed on the scoreboard.
We do tend to drag opposition down to our level.
Having said that, I'm with Syd that when there's an opportunity to be taken we rarely take it

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:40 am 
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Beat them by 10 goals and North beats Geelong by similar and we could be tenth! :lol:

Yeah…

I’m with Syd, we never take our chances.

Most depressing season in a long time.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:28 am 
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Beat them by 10 goals and North beats Geelong by similar and we could be tenth! :lol:

Yeah…

I’m with Syd, we never take our chances.

Most depressing season in a long time.

No doubt GWS
Nothing worse than promise not fulfilled
Like most of us had just about bailed out before the last 2 weeks. That 29K crowd at the G against GC with membership 88 K or whatever grim testimony to that

Then we have comfortable wins against 2 ordinary sides and the joy of football is back

My wife shakes her head about how mood altering football is for me. Like all of us here no doubt. Irrational really

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:37 am 
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RickJ wrote:

Freo 1.83 Carl 1.97

Go Blues. Give us hope


I don’t think Freo will kick that many points.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 1:59 pm 
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Braithy wrote:

we could name 15 rucks from around the comp who we'd take over pittonet.



Go on then.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:02 pm 
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GWS wrote:
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Freo 1.83 Carl 1.97

Go Blues. Give us hope


I don’t think Freo will kick that many points.

:lol:

Great minds…

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