Time isn’t on the clubs side? I acknowledge our poor record over the last 20 years and the frustration that comes from that. Time is more on the clubs side than mine…..it’ll outlast me

I've been saying this for a while

Play Silvagni in defence
Honey as a HBF
Plowman as a win/HF
just to see if we can unearth a player

Binns Cowan need to play.
I'd play Mirkov as well
Cuningham Marchbank to see if they can stand up

My personal opinion is regardless of contract Curnow Fisher O'Brien Dow Marchbank Philp Honey Fogarty Plowman must go at years end
I'd also be happy to trade TDK McGovern & Cripps as we must address our issues around Picks and the Salary Cap

at some point if we want success we gotta be ruthless. cut players, coaches and staff and move on.


there's an academic study in the states with young college basketball players who had microdisectomy surgery (all around walsh's age).


of the 22 in the program who had the surgery, 4 never played again. of the 18 remaining 15 never met the same physical biometrics as they did before the surgery. and the other 3 returned to "full health" but their biometrics never exceeded what they were - ie they hit their ceiling at surgery and never hit their physical peak .

the numbers with that suggest the reality walsh may never be the same player ever again. there's a small chance he might return to what he was. and there's not much chance he'll exceed that, or hit his physical peak (around 27-28 in male athletes)

taking lots for granted here. I'm sure the old rusted on fitzroy supporters thought their club would outlive them too.

That’s a good reference Braithy. Ok then, I’d be delighted to follow the Northern Territory Blues if it meant a 3 peat!

I don’t think he has the same penetration as previous seasons. I grant him the concession of back surgery and take a look at his stats 2023 season average versus career average - all on par. Now stats can be misleading. However, he seems to be fairing better than the outlook you’re painting.

That’s a good reference Braithy. Ok then, I’d be delighted to follow the Northern Territory Blues if it meant a 3 peat!

It'd be interesting to see how everyone feels among the 88k members.

I wouldn't follow them. at all. I'd either try and follow the cats, or more than likely i'd give up afl all together and just watch NBA.

Mate , our club is not gonna fold . It is not a new Fitzroy . Sure , it resembles it at the moment . But there is no way in the world we will fold or be relocated . So as unbearable as everything is at the moment i reckon we need to all dig in ................. nothing surer if we continue the way we are there will be an almighty eruption at the end of the season . And if there is we will survive that also . We have had twenty five years of 5h1t and we are still here . Our footy club is indestructible . Same our supporters . We are strong and resilient . We don't rollover .

Been saying it for 20 odd years

Sadistic

at some point if we want success we gotta be ruthless. cut players, coaches and staff and move on.


there's an academic study in the states with young college basketball players who had microdisectomy surgery (all around walsh's age).


of the 22 in the program who had the surgery, 4 never played again. of the 18 remaining 15 never met the same physical biometrics as they did before the surgery. and the other 3 returned to "full health" but their biometrics never exceeded what they were - ie they hit their ceiling at surgery and never hit their physical peak .

the numbers with that suggest the reality walsh may never be the same player ever again. there's a small chance he might return to what he was. and there's not much chance he'll exceed that, or hit his physical peak (around 27-28 in male athletes)

Who knows if we’re infallible. I suspect a lot would have to happen for us to disappear.

I’m not keen on us becoming anything than we are. Although a 3 peat as the NT Blues would be serve as some sort of tonic.

My point is more about challenging the notion put forward that time isn’t on our side. Well, my view is the club is bigger than me. I suspect some might believe otherwise (some past players and supporters) .
Yet I love that we have a very passionate supporter base. God knows how we continue to survive and thrive given our last 25 years.

Things aren’t what we expected and some change is required. However, I believe our collective passion is best served to take the road less travelled for Carlton - patience and continued investment in a path. As our collective posts demonstrate - who really knows what is the root cause to our problem.

It takes more courage to stick to the plan than change it midstream. And as the old man used to say, best judge a man by how he acts when he’s down versus when he is up.

So, I’m so frustrated and confused.
It is very hard to diagnose what our real problems are.
It is very annoying because I don’t think the top teams are all that great. I still think Collingwood is doing much better on the ladder than is warranted. Kind of the inverse of us and probably for the inverse reason.
They are winning more than they should and playing better than they are because they are choc full of confidence and have psyched other teams out.
We are losing more than we should because we are devoid of confidence and have psyched ourselves out of most games.

Many of us are way overreacting, and yet our performances warrant some kind of extreme response!

The calls to strip Cripps of the captaincy are rubbish, IMO. If anything, it reminds me of similar calls against Cotchin and the parallels are prominent: Brownlow medallist, trying to do it all on his own. I get that. But, if he can become more selfless like Cotchin did, he is the most inspirational leader on the team without doubt.
Cerra? He is having the best season and putting his head over the ball but if he was captain, we’d still be losing and most of us would be potting him for not being demonstrative. A lot of ‘grass is greener’ going on. Same with so many players in the VFL who magically become the solution despite not performing on the it stage on multiple occasions. I really hope Dow makes it, and I’d love to see Cunningham get back but these players incl Cottrell have never set the world alight.

And whilst we are definitely having a crap year, Melbourne took a long time to finally get it incl several false dawns and a bottom two finish before finally cracking the big time.

Brisbane is 2-3 years ahead of us and still hasn’t achieved much. Yes they’ve made finals but done nothing with it.

Port Adelaide is having a great year after most pundits were sacking the coach this time last year.

And I don’t think Hardwick is the answer. It is rare for a Premiership coach to have success at a subsequent club. Matthews and Malthouse are it since the 80s. It’s one thing to sack the coach, another thing to find the right replacement.

There is so much going on that is sick at the moment. I think we we’d the remainder of the year to really get in there and diagnose the problem with personnel, game plan, players.

And then make a plan to address this on and off the field. But it needs to be forensic, not blunt instrument.

FWIW, I think it is the coaching because I can’t believe so many players can play so badly so often. Whether it be the game plan, or mental it still rests with the coach. Maybe the senior coach or maybe the assistants. And/or the footy boss. But I’m not 100% sure. And it’s so frustrating because the opportunity is there with average teams at the top, IMO.

I just don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water.


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