The players have seen off countless coaches (assistants included). Our problem isnt the coaches it is the list managers. We don't have enough talent spread across the team.
Even our good players lack the ability to be super fit, elite runners, skilled in kicking, skilled in decision making, follow a plan, gain confidence, stay confident and have the want to win.
We bring in the wrong players.

The coaches do get caught up coaching around these deficiencies in the list. Playing the hand they are dealt. But I wouldn't be changing coaches without doing a massive list redesign.

Setterfield and Stocker say hello. Others like TDK, Dow, JSoS, etc. will follow and thrive.

Smothers....
We were continually having kicks and handballs smothered...
I think we smothered one of theirs...
Tells us about the delay in releasing as players TRY to decide what to do...

Dumb strategies stuck with all night... Especially in the last??

Players tentative and making dumb decisions
We played better against Brisbane and Collingwood because we had to account for what they would do... Clearly we thought we don't have to worry about what Sydney (Saints, Dogs ) would do because we're better than them.... :slapshead:

Coaching staff haven't worked out it is easier to counter something you know is going to happen...

Don't FN mention inside 50 stats... The way we are getting them makes them irrelevant

Still too POed to get into the analysis

Go Blues!

Rebuild started in 2015. Its now 2023. What have we got to show for it?

Stocker Round 1 pick for a Back Pocket.

Setterfield round 1 pick for a hot n cold 3rd string medfielder

We got rid of them for a reason.

Dow round 1 pick for a butcher

JSOS was a Father Son. SOS didnt pick him

TDK He's not a good mark, not a good kick, hasn't made it, may improve, and I don't think he will be a star. He's tall. I know Kane Cornes rates him.

You're happy with SOS selections. That's OK. I'm not at present. Happy as a funeral.

Rebuild started in 2015. Its now 2023. What have we got to show for it?

Stocker Round 1 pick for a Back Pocket.

Setterfield round 1 pick for a hot n cold 3rd string medfielder

We got rid of them for a reason.

Dow round 1 pick for a butcher

JSOS was a Father Son. SOS didnt pick him

TDK He's not a good mark, not a good kick, hasn't made it, may improve, and I don't think he will be a star. He's tall. I know Kane Cornes rates him.

You're happy with SOS selections. That's OK. I'm not at present. Happy as a funeral.

Your assessment is interesting and undeniable incorrect.
Have you even watched these guys play for the other teams. Blind Freddy can see they can play and that we have NFI. Maybe switch on watch the 2nd half of the Hawthorn V StKilda game. Might help.

Actually I forgot, you’re happy with our top 10 Saad trade. I’ll let it be.

Looks to me more a cultural/development issue. Players that leave us seem to improve almost immediately

How many of our players have improved this year?

I think there is something amiss at Carlton. But these blokes haven't improved. They are the same good players. Setters probably getting more time, and Stocker did something about his attitude towards fitness.

I thought Setterfield and Stocker were good players. I expected more from them being first rounders. They didnt look like first rounders when at carlton, and I still think they are good players and still dont look like first rounders and imo not much better players now than when at Carlton TBH. Lets not all of the sudden call a Back Pocket player a star till he is. Neither are stars. They are solid citizens.

Why we've ended up with umteen inside mids all picked by SOS? Coz he didnt have faith in his judgement the first, second, third.....time?

Something not right with his philosophy and SPS isn't a star. He was pick 6. LOB isnt a star he's pick 10......its been discussed adnauseum.

Pros:

Were the better team for 3 1/2 quarters. But you can't win, if you can't kick more than 6 or 7 goals.
Weiters, Walsh, McGovern.
Charlie was fantastic in the air, but his kicking was rubbish.
Liked the game of Boyd and Cottrell. They're the future.
Got a bit more rebound from Saad.
Motlop was in the play a lot. But he gets tackled a lot. It's a problem that 2 of our 3 small forwards aren't quick.

Cons:

General lack of confidence.
Terrible set shot finishing again.
Hammered at centre bounces again. It's become a real problem this year.
Unwillingness of our forwards to contest in the last quarter when out of position.
Injuries and bad bounces.
I thought Harry might have turned the corner last week. But his goalkicking was back to its horrible worst. By the end of the game, it looked like he didn't want to get it anymore.
Why do we keep playing Kennedy at half back?
Durdin and Owies.
Stack of others who under contributed. Like Kemp, TDK, Hewett (before his injury), Hollands, Kennedy, etc.

Do you think for one minute that as a collective the players rejected the game plan and started playing good football and winning games that Voss would reprimand them.

This what we are seeing is poor execution poor skill and a complete lack of confidence and the ability to handle expectations

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Teams do not give Cripps any space
If Cripps doesn’t have possession it’s off to the races

He needs a change of scenery
Our best player is wasted up forward
Swap their roles
Saad is tagged every week
So give him a different role
Play him
As a mid or wing
Last night Papley played as a mid
Other teams mix it up
We don’t
Play Kennedy up forward
I would like to see DeKoning down back
Bring Dow in to play mid on the basis he simply deserves it
Play Binns instead of Acres
I would like to see Owies in the middle and Durdin

The worry with Voss is he is obviously stubborn
Like Teague

Look I'm upset with the loss. I wasn't last night, because I had good company and plenty to drink, but I am appalled today. Everyone is.

Your attack on the poster isn't making me feel better. No need to be a smartarse surrey.
Capiche

Sorry, I dont get the Saad slur. But FFS keep it civil.

You have missed my point about first rounders.

Clarkson built his Hawks dynasty with kids who had great skills.

Now remember, I'm not writing about you, or calling you a dill. I'm making a point about our playing group and the bloke who put it together. I'm not the first. I responded. You missed the point. You dont like it? Leave it at that. Simple.

Where do you start

Playing Kennedy in the backline 3 or 4 times this year and has played poorly when in the midfield we are a lot better

Doc in the midfield simply isn’t working so why persistently go with it maybe should be played on a wing

Why was Harry deep forward all night and Charlie further up should have been swapped need Charlie closer to goal

Our small forwards have absolutely no idea you very rarely see them crumbing at the front hitting it with pace they are always caught underneath our tall forwards

How we ever chased Acres is beyond me he no good at all slow / poor decision maker / turnover king should be dropped for good

Why we gave Pitto 4 years is a joke he is just a tap ruckman who has no influence whatsoever

None selection of player who’s form in the VFL warrant selection is a joke all Voss is doing is making himself look stupid for not playing them

And Voss game plan is like watching football from the 1980 just kick it long

We are the laughing stock of the AFL thanks to voss and the poor standards of football club has

I’m done watching them and no more membership for me