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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 10:57 am 
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Navy One wrote:
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'tonight the role of Darcy Moore will be played by Nick Blakely'

Improved our kicking... now kicking at least 45 metres high, previous weeks were probably slightly lower

Weekend ruined, again... Can't wait for no more Friday night games

Season over...

Very poor coaching, combined with players not knowing what to do OR putting in.... I said we could get beaten by Longmire... We were...

If we don't start PLANNING and REACTING to what other teams are doing.... and do it quickly (and quicker during games), I fear Voss will be gone.






Go Blues


The Darcy Moore/Nick Blakey role will be reprised by Jake Lever next Friday night at the MCG. Tickets are selling fast (if you're a Melbourne supporter)
Spot on... WTAF

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 11:03 am 
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Is Melksham gonna play?

Put him down for 5-6 if so along with McDonald who always turns it up against us.


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 11:07 am 
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billc3 wrote:
Navy One wrote:
billc3 wrote:
'tonight the role of Darcy Moore will be played by Nick Blakely'

Improved our kicking... now kicking at least 45 metres high, previous weeks were probably slightly lower

Weekend ruined, again... Can't wait for no more Friday night games

Season over...

Very poor coaching, combined with players not knowing what to do OR putting in.... I said we could get beaten by Longmire... We were...

If we don't start PLANNING and REACTING to what other teams are doing.... and do it quickly (and quicker during games), I fear Voss will be gone.






Go Blues


The Darcy Moore/Nick Blakey role will be reprised by Jake Lever next Friday night at the MCG. Tickets are selling fast (if you're a Melbourne supporter)
Spot on... WTAF

Go Blues!


Well our game plan revolves around kicking it long

Makes it predictable

Lever will be served the football on a silver platter with roses scattered around it

With a card saying how much CFC appreciate his service

Maybe we should drop our eyes and be less predictable

Haha yeah that'll be the day


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 11:08 am 
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Smothers....
We were continually having kicks and handballs smothered...
I think we smothered one of theirs...
Tells us about the delay in releasing as players TRY to decide what to do...

Dumb strategies stuck with all night... Especially in the last??

Players tentative and making dumb decisions
We played better against Brisbane and Collingwood because we had to account for what they would do... Clearly we thought we don't have to worry about what Sydney (Saints, Dogs ) would do because we're better than them.... :slapshead:

Coaching staff haven't worked out it is easier to counter something you know is going to happen...

Don't FN mention inside 50 stats... The way we are getting them makes them irrelevant

Still too POed to get into the analysis

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 11:12 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
billc3 wrote:
Navy One wrote:
billc3 wrote:
'tonight the role of Darcy Moore will be played by Nick Blakely'

Improved our kicking... now kicking at least 45 metres high, previous weeks were probably slightly lower

Weekend ruined, again... Can't wait for no more Friday night games

Season over...

Very poor coaching, combined with players not knowing what to do OR putting in.... I said we could get beaten by Longmire... We were...

If we don't start PLANNING and REACTING to what other teams are doing.... and do it quickly (and quicker during games), I fear Voss will be gone.






Go Blues


The Darcy Moore/Nick Blakey role will be reprised by Jake Lever next Friday night at the MCG. Tickets are selling fast (if you're a Melbourne supporter)
Spot on... WTAF

Go Blues!


Well our game plan revolves around kicking it long

Makes it predictable

Lever will be served the football on a silver platter with roses scattered around it

With a card saying how much CFC appreciate his service

Maybe we should drop our eyes and be less predictable

Haha yeah that'll be the day
Spot on... Eyes down after the first two entries when we see they have 18 players back and run it out at will.....
Not in the last two minutes of the game

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 11:14 am 
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club29 wrote:
The players have seen off countless coaches (assistants included). Our problem isnt the coaches it is the list managers. We don't have enough talent spread across the team.
Even our good players lack the ability to be super fit, elite runners, skilled in kicking, skilled in decision making, follow a plan, gain confidence, stay confident and have the want to win.
We bring in the wrong players.

The coaches do get caught up coaching around these deficiencies in the list. Playing the hand they are dealt. But I wouldn't be changing coaches without doing a massive list redesign.


Yeah, the way we start great then slowly (then rapidly) fall apart under every coach is a tell-tale sign - tickets for the Teague Train, anyone? - I can't think of another club that does it with as much gusto as our boys, and it tells me that the problem is one of leadership and standards within the playing group. I reckon our boys try, and are professional enough, but also that they subconsciously think it's enough to be those things, that they are content to be part of some nebulous "process", that after the novelty of change has worn off they don't have the drive to push on. I don't see any anger, any determination that winning games is the be all and end all, and this feeling is borne out by the way we suck new arrivals down to our level... Saad, an excitement machine, now increasingly vanilla... Hewett, from a great club culture, looked mint for half a season, now blunt and anonymous... Acres, a few games where he seemed to have a wing nailed down, now a calamity... and we call for the likes of LOB,JSOS, TDK and Dow to be recycled yet again, and maybe they tinker at the edges a bit but none of them are winners, none of them can invigorate an apathetic group. This is why I'd be open to trading anyone and everyone on the list, and be actively looking to shift anyone who's been here 5+ years, it's not because they're all rubbish, it's because they're too accustomed to a "close enough is good enough" "we're on a journey" "results don't matter" "trust the process" cliche factory.


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 11:19 am 
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I mean, @#$%&!, you all bang on about Dow this, Dow that... well, if it's true that he refused to be traded because "his mates are here" then that speaks volumes, yeah I can really see him turning the tide with that sense of priorities.


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 11:33 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
club29 wrote:
The players have seen off countless coaches (assistants included). Our problem isnt the coaches it is the list managers. We don't have enough talent spread across the team.
Even our good players lack the ability to be super fit, elite runners, skilled in kicking, skilled in decision making, follow a plan, gain confidence, stay confident and have the want to win.
We bring in the wrong players.

The coaches do get caught up coaching around these deficiencies in the list. Playing the hand they are dealt. But I wouldn't be changing coaches without doing a massive list redesign.


Yeah, the way we start great then slowly (then rapidly) fall apart under every coach is a tell-tale sign - tickets for the Teague Train, anyone? - I can't think of another club that does it with as much gusto as our boys, and it tells me that the problem is one of leadership and standards within the playing group. I reckon our boys try, and are professional enough, but also that they subconsciously think it's enough to be those things, that they are content to be part of some nebulous "process", that after the novelty of change has worn off they don't have the drive to push on. I don't see any anger, any determination that winning games is the be all and end all, and this feeling is borne out by the way we suck new arrivals down to our level... Saad, an excitement machine, now increasingly vanilla... Hewett, from a great club culture, looked mint for half a season, now blunt and anonymous... Acres, a few games where he seemed to have a wing nailed down, now a calamity... and we call for the likes of LOB,JSOS, TDK and Dow to be recycled yet again, and maybe they tinker at the edges a bit but none of them are winners, none of them can invigorate an apathetic group. This is why I'd be open to trading anyone and everyone on the list, and be actively looking to shift anyone who's been here 5+ years, it's not because they're all rubbish, it's because they're too accustomed to a "close enough is good enough" "we're on a journey" "results don't matter" "trust the process" cliche factory.


Agree

Should have reset about 2 - 3 years ago

We hang on to ordinary players for too long

Overrate our players and have paid the consequences

Now too many losers on our list


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 11:36 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
I mean, @#$%&!, you all bang on about Dow this, Dow that... well, if it's true that he refused to be traded because "his mates are here" then that speaks volumes, yeah I can really see him turning the tide with that sense of priorities.


Or maybe nobody else wanted him?


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 11:57 am 
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Everyone bar Walsh & C Curnow should be tradable. And maybe Saad.

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 11:59 am 
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Dow is not the answer...
BUT he is a perfect example of the problem...

I usually jump on TC to settle my nerves..... one of you guys makes a ripper comment that has me laughing my ar$e off and breaks the despondence...
(thanks Navy One, you tried)... Instead I got off.....

Turned on my music...

First song...
Bad Moon Rising...



So here I am

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 12:02 pm 
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Motlop will get there eventually, but he needs to be dropped.

I was filthy when he gave up chasing as soon as he got to the 50 last night. Dead set would rather Honey, who offers little in terms of scoring pressure, but at least harasses opponents and never stops chasing.

Until we set these types of standards, we will not improve.

Yes to Durdin in the middle. No to Fisher, been there, done that. Indifferent to Dow, but if it means rotating Cripps and Kennedy at FF, then I'm up for it.


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 12:03 pm 
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malbi wrote:
I don't need to watch the VFL. Others kindly do that for us. I just watch the garbage that the seniors are putting out and say that something needs to change.

Dow did win the Reserves B&F last year. He is on track to win it again this year. He has played one full senior game in a year and a half (a few others where he was sub). Our midfield is playing poorly despite the stars that we have in the side. It needs a shake up. We seem to think that doing the same thing week after week will give us different results.

I tried to warn you all.


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 12:15 pm 
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Actually I thought your admission that you don't watch reserves after weeks of banging on incessantly about Dow was more comic relief than prescient warning, but thanks anyway.


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 12:26 pm 
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We have a good enough list to follow a game plan, it’s obvious that either the game plan is rubbish, or it’s too difficult to follow.


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 12:34 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
We have a good enough list to follow a game plan, it’s obvious that either the game plan is rubbish, or it’s too difficult to follow.
Do you think for one minute that as a collective the players rejected the game plan and started playing good football and winning games that Voss would reprimand them.

This what we are seeing is poor execution poor skill and a complete lack of confidence and the ability to handle expectations

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 12:55 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
We have a good enough list to follow a game plan, it’s obvious that either the game plan is rubbish, or it’s too difficult to follow.


We continually go on about the game plan. It was the same with Bolton and Teague.

Although I do agree it is ordinary, I think there is more to it. I simply believe we are not good enough. Whether it is due to poor culture, poor recruitment, poor game development etc. A good example is Ed Curnow who is still getting games at this stage of the rebuild. In what world did we expect this in 2023.

I am not making excuses for Voss but he inherited this list, which I don't think is good enough. However, he hasn't impressed me as our coach.


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 1:04 pm 
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Culture. It’s gone and it seems after 20 years, numerous top draft picks, coaches, board members. Administrators, CEO’s.......NFI how to get it back. Simply the issue.


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 1:17 pm 
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On paper we had the superior team.
Swans had too many stars out injured.
I expected us to win by 10 goals.

I couldn't understand the selection of Kemp at CHB on McLean and continuing with the blind faith in Gov as the intercept mark.
Nevertheless, it was a beautiful night.
Caught up with a few lads. We had the front seat at the window in Members and the taste of Carlton Draught was a delight.
A couple Moss Woods and right before me the Reserves playing in daylight. Quite nostalgic. This was going to be a huge night.

Thank god I had a lot of fun, but what I was watching was "Embarrassing"from the get go with that smother of charlies first set shot at goal. FMD.

Weitiering, Walsh, Docherty and Cottrell kept us alive, and gave us hope.
Was good to see Boydy taking on the game and trying to play himself into form.

What do these clowns do during the week to sharpen their skills?
FMD most were first round draftees, and they are professional footballers.
The skills are the worst in the comp. WTF went wrong?

The game plan is fkd. The skills to execute double fkd and embarrassing.
Its not an exciting brand of footy. Its downright awful to watch.

Harry should be dropped to get his shit right. He has lost ALL confidence.
Harry is a liability.

Kennedy out bodied by the smaller Haywood in the goal square. What was that?
Owies???? Our midgets aren't quick. Swans slow players are quicker.

Steve Silvagni you stripped our list bare, to the point we couldn't field a competitive team for years, and became the laughing stock in the AFL.
You drafted average players and set us back for another generation. We are the laughing stock again. You make me sick.

Vossy, get your head out of your arse.

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 1:21 pm 
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Setterfield and Stocker say hello. Others like TDK, Dow, JSoS, etc. will follow and thrive.


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