TalkingCarlton :: View topic - R11: Sydney v Carlton (Pre match discussion)

Just my a hole opinion but if you devise a game plan say 2 years ago, surely you have some flexibility with it over the course Youd also think at some point it has to be horses for courses due to the opposition match ups.

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keogh wrote:

Whether we as supporters think the list is good or not good enough to match it with the better teams in the comp the bottom line we have been very ordinary for a year
Below average
You’re average or better if you can match it with the opposition between the 50 m arcs.

Voss refuses to change things up other than putting Kennedy or Cerra at half back

Whilst Dows career has been ordinary the fact that he doesn’t get a senior game when the mid field mix isn’t working is beyond belief
This is why I won’t pay up to be an interstate member
Where is the transparency
It’s treating supporters with contempt
Binns deserves a game as well
Cincotta was given the arse after one bad game
Too soon
Voss is very stubborn

As for McGovern being favored over Young
Well I get why that’s the case
McG is a better user and The Swans key positions have been decimated by injury but as usual the club doesn’t look at the big picture the long term

Bryce Gibbs was never dropped at Carlton despite constantly not putting his body on the line
If you want a good culture you don’t accept some human behaviours
Young like Dow should feel a bit hard done by

So how many games have you seen Dow and Binns play?

I thought the criticism is that we can't seem to win games now! Surely you play your best team to win today. Development occurs in the 2's.

And I'm not sure what you mean by Transparency? Do you want the conversations that are held within 4 walls to be emailed directly to you for comment?

He's been ultra conservative on that front all year, but we're about to play a side that should have lost to North. Make some changes, take some risks, freshen the side up a bit. We should be able to make 4 changes & still be confident we can win this game of footy.

ED and Fogarty aren't playing reserves i wonder who the late out is.

mymanmurph wrote:

ED and Fogarty aren't playing reserves i wonder who the late out is.

A small.
Durds?

I don’t believe for a second that Voss is keeping Dow out because he wouldn’t leave the club. Or that this is because he is annoyed that Setterfield left. Setterfield is doing well now but he was never a star at Carlton where we - incl Voss - never gave him a shot except the final couple of matches when our midfield was decimated.
I don’t believe Voss would not pick Dow if he thought he could add value. That he would risk finals and put his job on the line just because he is stubborn or vindictive.
More likely is that he doesn’t think Dow will add value or he believes in the other mids and is backing them and his own current game plan, perhaps as a long term play.
I personally think he should give Dow a crack at it because if he can prove that he is capable at AFL level, it would solve a lot of our problems. And if he can’t, I don’t think we’re much worse off than how we are going right now.
So I disagree with Voss approach. But I don’t believe it is due to vindictiveness. I just think he doesn’t rate him. Simple as that.

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ED and Fogarty aren't playing reserves i wonder who the late out is.

Author:	Crusader [ Fri May 26, 2023 2:46 pm ]
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Lowey_47 wrote: Just my a hole opinion but if you devise a game plan say 2 years ago, surely you have some flexibility with it over the course Youd also think at some point it has to be horses for courses due to the opposition match ups. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk The situation has only become more dire for one-dimensional inside mids.

Author:	london blue [ Fri May 26, 2023 2:59 pm ]
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carntheblues wrote: keogh wrote: Whether we as supporters think the list is good or not good enough to match it with the better teams in the comp the bottom line we have been very ordinary for a year Below average You’re average or better if you can match it with the opposition between the 50 m arcs. Voss refuses to change things up other than putting Kennedy or Cerra at half back Whilst Dows career has been ordinary the fact that he doesn’t get a senior game when the mid field mix isn’t working is beyond belief This is why I won’t pay up to be an interstate member Where is the transparency It’s treating supporters with contempt Binns deserves a game as well Cincotta was given the arse after one bad game Too soon Voss is very stubborn As for McGovern being favored over Young Well I get why that’s the case McG is a better user and The Swans key positions have been decimated by injury but as usual the club doesn’t look at the big picture the long term Bryce Gibbs was never dropped at Carlton despite constantly not putting his body on the line If you want a good culture you don’t accept some human behaviours Young like Dow should feel a bit hard done by So how many games have you seen Dow and Binns play? I thought the criticism is that we can't seem to win games now! Surely you play your best team to win today. Development occurs in the 2's. And I'm not sure what you mean by Transparency? Do you want the conversations that are held within 4 walls to be emailed directly to you for comment? Must say, whilst I may not always agree with your points Keogh I do appreciate your passion and frustration. Having said that I’m disappointed that you can’t see beyond your grievances and contribute via some form of membership.

Author:	diesel95 [ Fri May 26, 2023 3:08 pm ]
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CK95 wrote: He's been ultra conservative on that front all year, but we're about to play a side that should have lost to North. Make some changes, take some risks, freshen the side up a bit. We should be able to make 4 changes & still be confident we can win this game of footy. north midfield are starting to find some gears. lots of good picks and recruiting. wouldn’t be surprised if they make finals before we do at this rate. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Author:	CK95 [ Fri May 26, 2023 3:26 pm ]
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Yep their midfield did well against ours I thought Sent from my Nokia G21 using Tapatalk

Author:	Paddycripps [ Fri May 26, 2023 3:54 pm ]
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The TDK IN is promising. If he can provide good relief to Pitto, then Charlie could be in for a night if the ball gets in there enough.

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Author:	mymanmurph [ Fri May 26, 2023 4:05 pm ]
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ED and Fogarty aren't playing reserves i wonder who the late out is.

Author:	Paddycripps [ Fri May 26, 2023 4:06 pm ]
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mymanmurph wrote: ED and Fogarty aren't playing reserves i wonder who the late out is. A small. Durds?

Author:	Paddycripps [ Fri May 26, 2023 4:07 pm ]
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We will win. Trust me.

Author:	mymanmurph [ Fri May 26, 2023 4:11 pm ]
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Paddycripps wrote: mymanmurph wrote: ED and Fogarty aren't playing reserves i wonder who the late out is. A small. Durds? Yeah Maybe. i was a bit surprised when Voss said Durds had cramp it looked a bit worse than that.

Author:	Paddycripps [ Fri May 26, 2023 4:14 pm ]
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If Owies has done his hammy again then the season really is over. He is one of the only ones who knows how to kick a goal.

Author:	mymanmurph [ Fri May 26, 2023 4:16 pm ]
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I'm confused Jsos is playing back and Young is playing forward....

Author:	17th Premiership [ Fri May 26, 2023 4:20 pm ]
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I don’t believe for a second that Voss is keeping Dow out because he wouldn’t leave the club. Or that this is because he is annoyed that Setterfield left. Setterfield is doing well now but he was never a star at Carlton where we - incl Voss - never gave him a shot except the final couple of matches when our midfield was decimated. I don’t believe Voss would not pick Dow if he thought he could add value. That he would risk finals and put his job on the line just because he is stubborn or vindictive. More likely is that he doesn’t think Dow will add value or he believes in the other mids and is backing them and his own current game plan, perhaps as a long term play. I personally think he should give Dow a crack at it because if he can prove that he is capable at AFL level, it would solve a lot of our problems. And if he can’t, I don’t think we’re much worse off than how we are going right now. So I disagree with Voss approach. But I don’t believe it is due to vindictiveness. I just think he doesn’t rate him. Simple as that. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Author:	Paddycripps [ Fri May 26, 2023 4:30 pm ]
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17th Premiership wrote: I don’t believe for a second that Voss is keeping Dow out because he wouldn’t leave the club. Or that this is because he is annoyed that Setterfield left. Setterfield is doing well now but he was never a star at Carlton where we - incl Voss - never gave him a shot except the final couple of matches when our midfield was decimated. I don’t believe Voss would not pick Dow if he thought he could add value. That he would risk finals and put his job on the line just because he is stubborn or vindictive. More likely is that he doesn’t think Dow will add value or he believes in the other mids and is backing them and his own current game plan, perhaps as a long term play. I personally think he should give Dow a crack at it because if he can prove that he is capable at AFL level, it would solve a lot of our problems. And if he can’t, I don’t think we’re much worse off than how we are going right now. So I disagree with Voss approach. But I don’t believe it is due to vindictiveness. I just think he doesn’t rate him. Simple as that. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Backing current group IMO. They have runs on the board. But gee it nobody is playing well ion there except for Cerra.

Author:	Paddycripps [ Fri May 26, 2023 4:58 pm ]
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Fisher playing well in VFL. Gee Michael maybe he could add some zip and run in midfield?

Author:	diesel95 [ Fri May 26, 2023 6:16 pm ]
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at three quarter time in the VFL game vs swans Mr Zac Fisher is leading all-comers with 100 AF points and >25 disposals. Dow was listed as FB (FMD does Voss has it in for him, maybe he’s already signed with Saints and this is the punishment?!) Cinc, Plowman and Steven’s all had more AF and D than Dow. although as the fourth quarter continues Dow is marching up the stats sheet. maybe he’s been flicked into the middle or HF? i wish that kind of Quarter by Quarter strategic switch up thinking was evident in the AFL game plan. we seem lethargic, wooden and over-reactive to what the opposition are doing to us rather than thinking our way through Saad being team-defended against, Cripps being swamped, Harry being double defended, blocked and scragged. etc etc.

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Author:	CK95 [ Fri May 26, 2023 5:55 pm ]
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mymanmurph wrote: ED and Fogarty aren't playing reserves i wonder who the late out is. One will be the sub & one will be the emergency

Author:	bluebo baggers [ Fri May 26, 2023 6:26 pm ]
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Dow has played in the middle the whole game 27 and a goal so far. Fish is killing it - as he should be.. Enjoying seeing the number 1 jumper run around in defence. 47 points up 13 mins into the last

Author:	Lowey_47 [ Fri May 26, 2023 6:35 pm ]
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You gotta love the romance of the ressies playing before the seniors. Sigh... Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk