Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I thought the discussion from the bb stats was the small forwards, who should be avenues to goal but haven't been for a long while. I don't blame the wings and mids for that.
So, outside of Owies, you're happy with the 2nd and 3rd small forwards because ... the stats bb provided from afl.com support that?
Miracle workers? The smalls? I don't think I can let them off so lightly. I saw their impact as targets in the forwardline vs Dogs with the big dogs playing away from goal.
I think 3 smalls is at least one too many. I feel having 2 developing smalls in a team who cant afford to faulter is playing Russian Roulette by playing them, and something we do week in week out and it doesnt work.
No drama. I'm only guessing. For all I know they are perfecting Vossy's instructions and are sound. I just cant see it and havent seen it for 6 weeks (apart from WCE)
This is not the week to judge them if Vossy selects them again. We will beat Swans with or without the 2 kids. I will be interested in their ooutput vs Swans even if we do win, but the folllowing weekend, watch out. This is the week we should be trying different chemistry.
Sadly I dont think Dow will get a go this week.
I thought the discussion was about output and positioning, with Billy stating they are not the problem. Same thing I guess.
Billy provided stats of our smalls output and compared them to some other key smalls in the league to show they are not going as bad as we would like to think.
Goals and tackles are only two of the six stats I’d use to assess the smalls performance though.
The other four are goal assists, goal accuracy, score involvements and pressure acts;
Durds
0.2 Goal assists
62.5% Goal accuracy
4 Score Involvements
13.6 Pressure acts
Motlop
0.4 Goal assists
53.3% Goal accuracy
4.1 Score Involvements
15.9 Pressure acts
Owies
0.4 Goal assists
73.3% Goal accuracy
4.2 Score Involvements
15.2 Pressure acts
vs
Hill
0.7 Goal assists
61.9% Goal accuracy
3.8 Score Involvements
13.2 Pressure acts
Papps
0.7 Goal assists
47.5% Goal accuracy
5.5 Score Involvements
13 Pressure acts
Spargo
1 Goal assists
90% Goal accuracy
4.4 Score Involvements
12.2 Pressure acts
Based on those numbers and the ones Billy provided they are doing what is expected of them in their roles, not outstanding like the rest of the team but doing their roles.
If you were to critique anything it’d be goal assists need to be better, but in a congested forward line those stats would be harder to get anyway.
Am I happy? We are not winning games so no.
Do I think they can do better? The whole team needs to do better.
As far as positioning goes, who knows what is expected of them, I and other supporters expect them to be at the feet of the talls all the time.
However, Voss has them running up and down the ground all game.
And as I’ve said, given we bomb the ball into Harry and Charlie most of the time, you’d assume they’ve been told to move their player away from them as much as possible.
Who knows.
Either way, we are so desperate to kick goals they are now copping flack, instead of our mids and wings that can’t kick goals or deliver the ball lace out to players in the F50.
It all starts from the middle and just bombing into the F50 is never going to win games for us.
Whether it’s our defensive game plan or lack of skill (both I think) our mids and wings are not up to it offensively and it’s unreasonable to expect the smalls to just magically pull goals out of nowhere all the time and win us games, especially with sub standard entries into F50.
Like other clubs, our mids and wings need to be kicking goals also or at least hitting targets in the F50.
In my team this week I dropped Motlop to favour a tall forward line though, mainly to expose the Swans.
Sorry for the long post....
Great post sidex. Much appreciated, but...
Those numbers are not the numbers they've produced in last 5 losing games. My focus is our losing form over the last 6 weeks.
My point is to not look at stats from the past or from the beginning of the year when we were tripping over wins against weakened opposition.
What is happening now and Durds and Mots is that they are not happening. Whether its coaching or not, they have not been involved in much at all. Hence, they seem to be part of the problem. I'd drop Motlop at the very least, not just to stretch Swans with height but because the addition to our bonafide form small forward in Owies, we shouldn't be risking games by selecting 2 developing players, unless they are all in form and winning their positions and performing the roles we need from them, and they aren't imo.
Our smalls are not asked to drag out their short opponents from our roosters. That's my educated guess is Vossy wants the smalls at the feet of the big boys collecting crumbs, furthermore this forward pressure game, which has been lacking a 6 weeks (excl WCE) is the role of the smalls. I do know they are running up and down with their opponents to provide opposition and fill leading lanes, but their primary role is in the forward line. Coaching vs Form? I think ts a bit of both. I love the pressure Owies puts on the opposition for no stats, plus he kicks goals.
Like Fisher, I dont think Motlop is in form to warrant the spot. If there's no pressure for spots or a next soldier like there was for Honey who was 5th in line, such was his luck, then Mots stays, but I think with cottrell at HF, Owies at FP and 3 talls, the other positions can be covered by others...who? Ed or Durdin, or both.
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