i thought he was brilliant

man, you have balls of steel saying that

i have thought this, but i thought i was just being overly negative. he just tries to do far too much, and doesnt really lead from the front

but to say he os the worst captain we have ever had takes away from marc murphy

If you want to get an idea of how deep the problems run, go and watch the positive press conference from Voss.
More good moments that bad.

Must have been watching a different game.

It is so easy to see that teams give us contested possession, sit back and wait for us to do turn it over. We are actually playing exactly the way teams want us too, and that’s somehow taken as a positive.

I’ve been a Voss supporter but this man looks devoid of ideas and confidence and it’s rubbing off on the players (or vice Versa)

I won't be watching the replay to confirm, but I didn't get that impression at all

Can anyone tell me what we/they changed after we hit the front for the second time?
Something significant must have changed structurally because they were struggling to score for the last quarter and a half and then suddenly, it completely opened up for them?


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Let down two weeks in a row by our “leaders” - Cripps, Weitering and McKay. Culture is rotten, has been for years and shows no signs of changing.

So over it.

Nearly 30 years without success and we still aren't close

I like our list but I don't know why we play so badly?

Are we soft, lack structure, is it coaching, is it game plan, is it culture?

Maybe Cook knows something given his comments last week? Maybe that's problem?

All I do know is I'm tired of it and have nearly had enough

man, you have balls of steel saying that

i have thought this, but i thought i was just being overly negative. he just tries to do far too much, and doesnt really lead from the front

but to say he os the worst captain we have ever had takes away from marc murphy

Who the hell was on Bailey Smith?

Just as an aside - 0 tackles last night, never been accountable to his opponent and doesn't run both ways...is not a captain's bootlace...and BELIEVE ME...that has a destructive effect on the TEAM despite the number of clearnces he gets as an INDIVIDUAL

As critical as I am, I do understand Voss trying to be positive. The players are mentally shot, devoid of any confidence. First job is to find a way to clear their minds.

Cons

Acres, Motlop, Cripps, Cincotta, McGovern, Hewett, Durdin, JOS.

You know that old Franco Cozzo ad that started ...... grand sale, grand sale ?
Hold that thought.

I'm 66, been lucky enough to see 8 flags, 7 of em in the flesh.
But they've just about broken me.
Near 20 years of kicks in the groinal and gonads area, taking its toll.

My question is, how brave are you Carlton?
Are you brave enough to change and not buy another ticket on the just change the coach merry-go-round?

Clearly there's lots of probs at cfc, but the players are ground zero.
Do you envisage Cripps running down the race to mcg turf on gf day ?
Do you see Mckay kicking a clutch match winner in a prelim ?
Do you see TDK torching big ruckman and gorilla defenders ?
Do you see Fisher blitzing Petracca or De Goey ?
Do you see Mclovin or Martin playing 20 games per year, at their age ?

Nope, me neither.
So....
Are ya brave enough to say, nope it hasn't worked (again) ?
How many top shelf draft picks would you get by having a grand sale of most of the above ?
Contracts schmontracts.

Since 1967, don't think I've seen a more mentally fragile player ever as bad as Mckay. Is anyone working with him.
Hes almost a liability at times.
If not, we'll hey Michael, it's your career he's helping to abbreviatie !

Yeah its 2 in the morning, I'm depressed. Watching the press conference, I thought it was Teague wearing a Voss face mask.

But it's OK....cfc will work on their deficiencies this week and come out and smoke dem Hot Pies !

Grande sale, comprade de Franco....

You kick one goal in a half of football... under a closed roof... you get what you deserve.

I read in the game thread that the coach deserves credit for the changes after half time... well, who gets the credit for the first?