I'm going to have to agree and disagree with this.
While our wings were a problem at times last year defensively, the main problem was and still is our inside mids.
Without addressing this first we have again put ourselves back in the same situation as last year, putting pressure all around the ground on other positions, including the wings.
Our wings this year have delivered very little to last years overall performance going forward (defensively they have, mostly) and IMO so far it hasn't been worth doing vs addressing the bigger issue of speed and skill deficiencies in the middle.

We needed more at ground level in D50… Boyd or Cowan, not Kemp.
We needed more speed on the spread… Cottrell, not Ed.
We needed a body on Dunkley… Kennedy start, Jack sub.
We needed more pressure inside 50… Owies, not Honey

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I agree with you
Was being cynical

I have read most of this thread and are amazed at those saying they are done.
Disappointed to see fans walking out.
If last night's game was your tipping point you mustn't have been watching the last 20 years.

You sit there and watch the game and it appears every miss kick, dropped mark , missed goal is a game/ season defining moment. Honey missed from 40 so did Charlie, Weiters butchered it several times, young dropped marks he should have taken.
Holland hesitated and got caught. Gov give JSOS a hospital hand pass in the goal square.
All these are game defining/ season defining and you ride every one of them and walk away saying if only. One blunder eventually leads to another and then the game/ season is lost.
Then when all is lost they start playing and get themselves back in it then expectations rise which then leads to the next game/season defining moment.
If you are feeling it in the comfort of your home or sitting in the stands can you imagine what it is like to live it and be part of it.

The level of expectations is huge I think you could pick an All Australian side put them in a Carlton jumper and they would feel it and falter.

The pressure might have lifted last night with the reality that they are not good enough.
They might go out and win the next 2 or 3 because it doesn't matter any more no one after to last night expects anything.
But win the next 2 or 3 and you watch the level of expectations rise again ultimately leading to the inevitable let down.

I don't know how you fix this


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A repeat of the St.Kilda match . But not as bad coz the Lions have been a top four side for the past four years . Still think we can drag ourselves out of this .

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Coaching rubbish but yes also the players

Weitering , Cripps and Walsh all topliners were horrendous

Acres kicking truly awful..several shocking turnovers

Young about as strong as cling wrap

How much of this is a result of playing a game plan that is ineffective and results in pressure being brought back in the players?

If it's not that , which I doubt btw, then Voss has the challenge to make this group harden up and be more accountable

Buck stops with the coach in this caper

Get them to sleep with the light out. Harden the flower up.

I think you may be diminishing the responsibility of footballers and some handsomely paid ones to actually do what footballers do, play football.
Until this side can show they can execute the most basic football skills, especially under pressure, coaching is irrelevant.

Me too.

We were beaten by a team who has been a top 4 side for many years and added some class for a tilt for this year's flag.

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Owies was our best.

His kicking wasnt great. He missed 4 set shots and played on to kick a goal. He kicked 2 long set shots in front and ended with I think 3.4.

Qwies for Honey for sure.

Cotters did some good things and looked a class above the rest, but still a bit rusty. I'd risk him.

No one else really, and LOB was out injured.

No to Dow. No defensive side in his game. Doesnt even chase a ball smothered off his boot to make amends. Doesnt look like he wants a chance at AFL level.
No to Boyd, for now. Too undisciplined for AFL. His timing was out, and he gives away stupid frees. Too many of them. Nice kick tho.

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sorry crew I seem to have posted in this thread instead of reserves thread at times.

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No doubt the Lions have many more quicker players on each line and hard to catch.

Cottrell is the only one with speed in the reserves.

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It’s all good both sides play the same I’m sure it went unnoticed

for a moment I was able to pretend the game was still on and we were in with a shout

Thanks of the update Bondi.
Good summary.

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