@Bondiblue - when it comes to footballers, I don’t go by ‘vibe’.
I do go by viewing and playing some football over the years.
Some you get right, some not so, that’s not specific to a vibe, just a thought process.

I think its much too early to write of 21yo Honey after 13 games.

He's been selected for 2 stints of 4 and 5 games abnd was retained in the team, only for injury to cruel him. Last year he had an interupted preseason but he got into the team and kicked long set shots at goal, was team focussed assisting goals he could have gone for himself, is a tough tackler, has athletic pedigree.

I know Vossy loves him as a footballer, and he backs him too for obvious reasons imo. If you ever get the chance to speak with Vossy, ask him what he thinks of Honey. You will be surprised.

Crusader debated against his inclusion in the best 22 before 2022 got underway, but he didn't write him off, but had strong argument why he wasn't ready for Best 22. Honey was in a lot of Best 22 teams last year. That may be just on potential and from the little bits of pure football he displayed, but flower he's on the radar of the coaches and most supporters, because he's shown great football qualities. And you write him off.

Farmer Blue thinks he's not a hf BUT a HB because of his speed and ability, but it must be also because he's a footballer first then athlete, unlike LOB the athlete who has played 65 games and still doesnt fill anyone with confidence he's a footballer. But you've had this is your 6th year of viewing LOB.

Sydney Blue had this to say about Honey "Nah". Whatever that means but I will take that as a bust, without any explanation. So, you're not on your own writing off a 21yo whose played only 13 games.

Honey had 11 kicks on the weekend 100% Def, kicked a goal in only 41% game time as a small forward.

Dow, SPS, Fisher, LOB, Stocker, Fogarty were all round 1 and 2 picks...high picks....Honey was a rookie, albeit pick 3, but a rookie nonetheless, and he's still on the list. He's only 21yo and was just selected yesterday. The players like him. He's fun. He's good for teams culture (Farmer should know that). He's got time to develop in a good system with good coaches and I can see why he will be given more chances. "Nah" doesn't cut it with me.

I just can't see him being delisted because he's not an AFL footballer: quite the contrary. Maybe he is superfluous to our needs because we have a plethora of small forwards or half backs, but not because he isnt an AFL footballer.

I'm a glass half full guy. I can see what Honey brings to the game that the abovementioned high picks dont. I see a lot of upside. I will leave the writing off of players at the end of the year, rather than after round 4, and back the decisions of Vossy and co. I just dont think Austin has 21yo Honey's paper stamped.

Honey got selected on the weekend ahead of first round picks Dow and Fogarty. I'm sure he was selected because he is a developing AFL footballer and next in line for a like for like swap. Previous years he's kept his spot in the team, but his week I expect him to make way for the established players Walsh Kennedy and Acres coming into the team. There's also Martin coming back too, but then again, Honey was a like for like replacement for Owies, so who really knows? He's in the frame for 2023 and I'd back for future years too at this stage of his career.

I'm curious what your take on what's wrong with Honey, other than his age and experience?

Which bit? All of it?

I agree with the logic of the LOB point, because its self explanatory and supported by Hollands and Cerra comparison.

What does "Humbly" mean in footy terms?

Cincotta instead of Carroll?

Honey is not AFL standard?

Durdin not getting the rewards for effort? That's sort of justified, but Durdin, like others needs to show rewards. Compare Durdin's rewards with Honey's. Why not?

Charlie is a freak, which is also explained.

Great essay but you're not accurately representing me. I'm not saying he can't make it in the future but he's currently not AFL standard. He's reactive, his skills aren't up to scratch and he doesn't use his main weapon (pace) to his advantage. He isn't a natural footballer (struggles to win his own ball). But I'm happy for him to continue developing his craft in the VFL with a view to promotion if his form warrants it.

Feeling a bit antagonistic Bondi?
They were just my opinions. No-one is saying you or anyone else has to agree.

Humbly should read fumbly.

Cincotta? My opinion. I'm not looking for you or anyone else to agree, just giving my thoughts. We're pushing Doc into the middle later in games and pushing midfielders into defence to cover for him. Players that are not training in those positions and gaining chemistry with the other defenders.
It seems logical to play a defender as the sub. Especially one who had 35+ possessions last week and had an excellent game. Looking to the future, we have Adelaide next week who have a number of excellent small forwards. I'd bring in another small forward to play a defensive role.

Honey? He's currently not AFL standard IMHO. It doesn't mean he cant be in the future or if he's trialled in the VFL in another role. He's just not there yet. See above post.

Durdin? If you cant see the value he provides over Josh Honey, that's fine.

‘WORLD RECORD’ STAT AMID BLUES’ ‘CLINICAL’ COMEBACK

Facing the prospect of a Good Friday flop, Carlton flipped the script and blitzed North Melbourne in an ominous second-half display.

And the Blues did it via one of the most unique scoring profiles ever seen in the AFL.

The Blues on Friday night kicked 11.5 to 6.10 to run away with a 23-point win.

Remarkably, 31 of those second-half points (5.1) came from kick-ins, compared to 4.2 from turnover and 2.2 from stoppages. According to Champion Data, Carlton’s 31 points from kick-ins were the most ever produced from that score source in a half of footy.

[color=#FFFF00]“World record statistical announcement … no one has ever done that in the history of stats,[/color]” five-time All-Australian Garry Lyon proudly announced on Fox Footy.

Four-time premiership Hawk Jordan Lewis added:[color=#FFFF00] “It was clinical.”[/color]

What made the scores-from-kick-ins feat even more remarkable was the fact Carlton was severely struggling to move the ball during the first half.

The Kangaroos in the first half, according to Champion Data, used the corridor to transition out of their defensive arc 45 per cent of the time. The Blues, conversely, didn’t use the corridor at all, with their slow ball movement giving Alastair Clarkson’s side ample opportunity to set up behind the ball.

I am not down with the technical jargon & tactical nuances of the game, but in very general terms I thought Honey looked like a headless chook on Friday. That's my knock on him.

Maybe I need to watch the replay

Hey….

did Honey look lighter…?

seemed less brick outhouse than usual…!

don’t know if i read it here or dreamed it…but
how would Honey go as a small defender…?

i don’t mean permanent…but as a reserve type
player…be groomed as a small BP…!


kindest regards tommi

With regards to Honey 6 of his 7 disposals were turnovers.
There was one particular instance under little pressure he kicked the ball to an unmanned North player and there wasn't a Carlton player within 30 metres.
His game awareness appears to be zero.
At least he doesn't shit his pants when someone comes near him like others.
But he has a long way to go

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I agree he has a long way to go. I think all the peripheral, depth and developing players have a long way to go, or not so long.
Honey has weapons. You didn't see anything good with Honey?
I remember the days we applauded players for being a straight kick at goal. Its the one thing we expect from, Forwards.
If we have stopped doing that, then we shouldn't complain then when Harry misses easy shots.

100% Disposal Efficiency is what afl.com stats chow, Herald Sun too.
Not sure where they get their stats. Anyone know what Champion data report.
You'd think that a ball kicked to an unmanned opponent would be a clanger and affect his Def.

I can't recall turnovers. Kicks to a contest are not turnovers. I can't recall that kick either.
I have watched the game sober too. No doubt I will watch the game again before Crows game.
I usually trust your judgement SB, as a bloke who says it as he sees it. I'll look for these clangers that were missed by me and the data farmers.

AFL stats:
9 Kicks
0 Handballs
0 Tackles
6 Marks
1 Goal
272 Meters Gained
77.8% Disposal Efficiency
Only 1 registered clanger though.

I am not down with the technical jargon & tactical nuances of the game, but in very general terms I thought Honey looked like a headless chook on Friday. That's my knock on him.

Maybe I need to watch the replay

Thanks Sidey
Must have been the Herald sun...I could swear that it was 100% on the afl too.
afl.com suggests 9 kicks therefore 3 ineffective kicks, 6 marks
Sydney Blue 6-7 disposals???
I must have got 11 disposals from Herald sun. They do the qtr by qtr stats.

I dont have a hard copy of HS and don't know how to view back issues.
Anyone got a copy of Saturday's Herald Sun to check Honey's stats in there. Please.

I'm not related to Honey, and I'm not concerned if he is delisted.
Like I said, there's going to be at least 7 changes to the list if we decide to upgrade the rookies coming out of contract.
I see he has weapons we need: mongrel, speed, strength good kick.

I'm more concerned that he may well be another SOS smaller player selection stuff up, coz after watching them for 6-7 years, I dont have much faith in Dow, LOB and Fisher TBH.

Too easy.
Sometimes the stats change after the game on the AFL website, they must go back and adjust them.

You know what I'm like, I want to see all our players do well but at the same time I like to be fair and call out all players who aren't performing.
There is upside in all the above players but unless they prove themselves then it will say more about the strength of our first side than anything.
I've been calling for Honey to come in and have a crack for the last couple of weeks, but unfortunately for him he didn't show enough to stay in ahead of the possible returning players this week.
His advantage like you've said is he is young and he can still go back to the 2s and put the pressure on to get selected again.

I think Fisher and LOB will need this humbling experience also, either way we need depth and there is no better depth than close competition for spots.