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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:40 pm 
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Seems Markov will repalce Williams

Anyone know why GCS axed him? everytime I saw him he looked good.
26 years old, 188cm and can run and is tough

From the outside he looks the perfect replacement especially since he has just done a pre season with the Pies. Should be able to step straight in


I too was surprised he got delisted. Super quick too. Could break the lines. Maybe as 'sue said, his kicking isn't up to scratch?
If so, he'd have a lot of mates if he came to us.


Then he can just handball to Saad or Weitering or Cowan or Docherty who are beautiful kicks


Works for me.
Have we def signed him or is it a rumour at this point?


Strong rumour


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:48 pm 
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If I was associated with Josh Honey, I’d be pushing for him to go to the backline..
he’s now 3-4th behind Motlop, Durdin, Fisher and perhaps Owies. Martin is also ahead of him although he plays taller and is injury prone..
I think honey has all the attributes to play half back


Re Honey at HB, so do I.
Has close to the best closing down speed at Carlton.
He's strong and hits hard.
And quick enough to create the overlap.

I look at the times he runs to the right place, rather than the stat.
He creates an option, an opportunity.
He got ignored a lot last year, and I'm sure the coaches told him so.
That was at HF.

He was in the match sim last week, so his up and at it.


I'd like to see him in defence.
Great engine, strong, quick and kicks it a long way.
Wasted as a HF and not a role we need filling

If Honey had a great engine, we wouldn’t have been so desperate to add that trait to the list this offseason.

I think he is where he is, because that’s the only place he’s going to make it. He’s a fast, strong, high impact type, but he’s limited.

Accepting life in the pigeon hole and making the commitment to own that space is what made us so good last year. It might yet prove the making of guys like Dow, O’Brien and de Koning. Fisher took his medicine, Cottrell too. Fogarty knows his place as well.

We shouldn’t expect anything different from Honey.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:16 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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If I was associated with Josh Honey, I’d be pushing for him to go to the backline..
he’s now 3-4th behind Motlop, Durdin, Fisher and perhaps Owies. Martin is also ahead of him although he plays taller and is injury prone..
I think honey has all the attributes to play half back


Re Honey at HB, so do I.
Has close to the best closing down speed at Carlton.
He's strong and hits hard.
And quick enough to create the overlap.

I look at the times he runs to the right place, rather than the stat.
He creates an option, an opportunity.
He got ignored a lot last year, and I'm sure the coaches told him so.
That was at HF.

He was in the match sim last week, so his up and at it.


I'd like to see him in defence.
Great engine, strong, quick and kicks it a long way.
Wasted as a HF and not a role we need filling

If Honey had a great engine, we wouldn’t have been so desperate to add that trait to the list this offseason.

I think he is where he is, because that’s the only place he’s going to make it. He’s a fast, strong, high impact type, but he’s limited.

Accepting life in the pigeon hole and making the commitment to own that space is what made us so good last year. It might yet prove the making of guys like Dow, O’Brien and de Koning. Fisher took his medicine, Cottrell too. Fogarty knows his place as well.

We shouldn’t expect anything different from Honey.


There's all types of engines.
He has running pedigree running through his veins. Speed is the assett he has over most others and that's something youve got or you havent.
Closing down speed would be handy in the backline. Williams and Saad have it. Now there's only Saady left.

I don't know about his stamina.
But I know that can be built, and for all we know, there may be a plan to build every player's stamina. That is standard.
That's enough reason not to pigeon hole him.

Potential everywhere, and that's all it is till one breaks through and makes his potential a reality.
Training standards have increased in intensity since Voss arrived: a new dawn?
Honey turns 22yo this year. Kennedy had his breakthrough year when he turned 25yo.

I'm not saying Honey will breakthrough this year, or even remains on the list beyond this year, but I'm not putting a line through anyone's name till season ends.

Not sure what you mean by the medicine Cottrell took?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Well, not as good as Ohand Kickov's, granted

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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rhino27 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Seems Markov will repalce Williams

Anyone know why GCS axed him? everytime I saw him he looked good.
26 years old, 188cm and can run and is tough

From the outside he looks the perfect replacement especially since he has just done a pre season with the Pies. Should be able to step straight in


I too was surprised he got delisted. Super quick too. Could break the lines. Maybe as 'sue said, his kicking isn't up to scratch?
If so, he'd have a lot of mates if he came to us.


Then he can just handball to Saad or Weitering or Cowan or Docherty who are beautiful kicks


Works for me.
Have we def signed him or is it a rumour at this point?

https://www.zerohanger.com/ex-sun-oleg- ... nt-132698/

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Former Sun and Tiger Oleg Markov appears set to earn an AFL lifeline, with the dasher reportedly close to signing on with the Blues as coverage for injured half-back Zac Williams.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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GET Strong Rumour….!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Kane Cornes had a bit to say about our salary cap on radio today.
He has a point. He was saying that contracts to players such as Williams could cost us one of our good players in the future. He mentioned that we have achieved nothing so far.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:36 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Kane Cornes had a bit to say about our salary cap on radio today.
He has a point. He was saying that contracts to players such as Williams could cost us one of our good players in the future. He mentioned that we have achieved nothing so far.

Hard to argue with the salary.

Williams is two George Hewetts - or two and a bit Blake Acresezzes.

And yet, I still can’t see how we will fail to sign everyone we want at the end of the year.

Free Agency is cooked. You have to trade for pre-agents now - and the Williams deal has no bearing on our lack of capital there.

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 Post subject: List Management 2023
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Not a particularly illuminating story by cornes.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:56 pm 
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Exactly 47….

Carlton paid too much for Williams…now he’s
injured…!

tick…and tick…well done champ…!

what now…?


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hey CORNSY…tell us about TDK again…!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Crusader wrote:
kezza wrote:
Kane Cornes had a bit to say about our salary cap on radio today.
He has a point. He was saying that contracts to players such as Williams could cost us one of our good players in the future. He mentioned that we have achieved nothing so far.

Hard to argue with the salary.

Williams is two George Hewetts - or two and a bit Blake Acresezzes.

And yet, I still can’t see how we will fail to sign everyone we want at the end of the year.

Free Agency is cooked. You have to trade for pre-agents now - and the Williams deal has no bearing on our lack of capital there.


Have you had a look at who is out of contract this year?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:59 am 
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dane wrote:
Crusader wrote:
kezza wrote:
Kane Cornes had a bit to say about our salary cap on radio today.
He has a point. He was saying that contracts to players such as Williams could cost us one of our good players in the future. He mentioned that we have achieved nothing so far.

Hard to argue with the salary.

Williams is two George Hewetts - or two and a bit Blake Acresezzes.

And yet, I still can’t see how we will fail to sign everyone we want at the end of the year.

Free Agency is cooked. You have to trade for pre-agents now - and the Williams deal has no bearing on our lack of capital there.


Have you had a look at who is out of contract this year?

19 expiring contracts. Nine, maybe ten, of them are priority.

None over $400k.

New CBA incoming.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Cornes is a master click baiter - and he knows he can get a rise out of us and a lot of clicks whenever he baits us.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Cornes is a masterbaiter - and he knows he can get a rise out of us and a lot of clicks whenever he baits us.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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tommi wrote:
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Just saw that . I don't know much about Cincotta but I trust the club will make the right decision.
I think the club has until next Wednesday to decide.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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kezza wrote:
Just saw that . I don't know much about Cincotta but I trust the club will make the right decision.
:eek:
I guess someone has to! :lol: :donk:

FWIW, there’s a little bit of discussion about Cincotta here: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=37543

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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I've always liked Markov. Always reckon he was a bit unlucky not to play more. He's quick and can run. Plenty of worse players om club lists.

Must be something his coaches haven't loved about him that I don't notice

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:48 am 
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If we are hard up against the cap - and the injury replacement allowance (per The Age article) is all but gone… it’s probably Cincotta’s job to lose?

Guy is already in the building, knows the structure he’s going into, knows the blokes around him, and would be more likely to accept a short contract for sweet FA.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:33 am 
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I don't mind Cincotta. He is a solid unit who I always thought moves well.


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