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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2023 1:57 pm 
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These days a lot of these private school kids who are any good at footy are there on a scholarship and would likely be in a state school otherwise.
Having said that, I really think this introverts are because they go to a private school thing is drawing a very long bow.


Separate discussion

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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bondiblue wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
These days a lot of these private school kids who are any good at footy are there on a scholarship and would likely be in a state school otherwise.
Having said that, I really think this introverts are because they go to a private school thing is drawing a very long bow.


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Not really. When people are trying to draw a very long bow that private school kids are softer and more introverted, it is relevant to this discussion.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2023 8:17 pm 
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That hasn't happened either.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2023 11:01 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I was in the crowd on Friday night I could hear the wind whistle through their arse cheeks every time they were lining up for goal.


I reckon that might be pretty handy skill to have in Sydney. It'd make Tindr superfluous to requirements.

I can't really reply to that other stuff you wrote but carntheblues reflects my views adequately enough.

So you've never heard of Les Boyd? The introverted assassin.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2023 11:04 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
If we want an extrovert we could do worse than approach Jack Reiwoldt about a 1 year contract


That should end any debate about introverts vs extrovert. We'll toss in Kane Cornes as well.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2023 3:43 pm 
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Rest of the year needs to be about trialling players and giving the future experience

Hollands Binns Cowan Kemp Motlop look to be the future and should play as much as possible. Another 6-12 games for most and then a pre season will improve them a lot. Others like Lemmey Carroll Mirkov might also get a run to see how they go

I can't see Honey Plowman Dow Cuningham Marchbank Fogarty Philp Ed Curnow at the club next year and TDK & McGovern must be traded as we need picks and Salary Cap relief


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2023 3:48 pm 
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if hollands out rest of year can we make a selection in MSD.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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jpulice1969 wrote:
if hollands out rest of year can we make a selection in MSD.


If it's the rest of the year we can. I am sure we would like a pick


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2023 1:24 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
These days a lot of these private school kids who are any good at footy are there on a scholarship and would likely be in a state school otherwise.
Having said that, I really think this introverts are because they go to a private school thing is drawing a very long bow.


Separate discussion


Not really. When people are trying to draw a very long bow that private school kids are softer and more introverted, it is relevant to this discussion.



But I wasnt.

I feel its a separate discussion for many other possibilities.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2023 1:30 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
:eek: I can't believe the conversation around introverts and extroverts. What garbage. As if it makes any difference. I would expect if you knew who was introverted and extroverted over the entire competition over the 160 years the competition has been going the ratio would be identical to the ratio of introverts to extroverts in the general population. And if you looked specifically at the premiers of each year it would be the same. Introvert/extrovert is not a requirement to be a professional footballer who can perform a role within a successful team. Drive and competitiveness would be more important to me.



Would there be any difference to a team full of intraverts vs a team full of extraverts and a team with a combination of both?

I dont think there's a right and wrong answer TBH, unless someone did their thesis on the subject, which has convinced you, which I doubt.

The fact you call the idea "garbage", implies say that with conviction. I don't think anyone knows the answer, and we all have our own hypothesis on the subject.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Rest of the year needs to be about trialling players and giving the future experience

Hollands Binns Cowan Kemp Motlop look to be the future and should play as much as possible. Another 6-12 games for most and then a pre season will improve them a lot. Others like Lemmey Carroll Mirkov might also get a run to see how they go

I can't see Honey Plowman Dow Cuningham Marchbank Fogarty Philp Ed Curnow at the club next year and TDK & McGovern must be traded as we need picks and Salary Cap relief



How much relief will those 2 players give us? What if we retain TDK and get rid of Gov? What if Gov chooses to stay for half the price because he knows he's robbed us?

Kemp is the only SOS pick who is the future?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Discussing Walsh....

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“With that 2021 season, the damage was coming with hands, it wasn’t coming by foot, the impact he was having by hand in 2021 was the 14th best of any player in the competition, but this year it’s 322nd.”

Hoyne says the Carlton midfielders should be looking to get the ball in the hands of those that are strong by foot.

“I think they need to change him to be that handball and release player and actually get the ball to the outside and in the hands of Adam Saad, Nic Newman and the more damaging hands as appose to him,” he added.

“A lot of people think that he should be the outside ball user and creative type, but his career suggests that that’s not him.

“His field kicking, in terms of when he actually does try to take on a more damaging kick, he’s not getting the returns from it.

“When he actually does when it on the outside, when he is getting the returns it’s the safer, lateral and shorter options that are not really impacting the play, you’re not looking at it and going ‘Carlton are in a better position here to actually score’.

“Adam Cerra and Saad are the ones that you’ve got to get the ball to.”


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/31/the-area-of-walshs-game-thats-a-mile-off/

So our only good kicks have been traded in, and there's question marks on SOS' draft picks in terms of kicking skills. Its what Ive been saying for a while now. SOS focussed too much on inside mids whose objective is to win the loose ball, and kicking may not have even registered in his valuation of players.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Pretty easy to shut down 2 players and it's why the opposition have been shutting down Saad.
Imagine if we had a player in the 2s that is an outside player and can hit a target by foot further than 20m.........hmmmm.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Sidefx wrote:
Pretty easy to shut down 2 players and it's why the opposition have been shutting down Saad.
Imagine if we had a player in the 2s that is an outside player and can hit a target by foot further than 20m.........hmmmm.


Cincotta kicks like Scotland did. and he runs. Not as quick as Saad, and Judd's gone......Cottrell is super quick too....HB with Saad????

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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carntheblues wrote:
:eek: I can't believe the conversation around introverts and extroverts. What garbage. As if it makes any difference. I would expect if you knew who was introverted and extroverted over the entire competition over the 160 years the competition has been going the ratio would be identical to the ratio of introverts to extroverts in the general population. And if you looked specifically at the premiers of each year it would be the same. Introvert/extrovert is not a requirement to be a professional footballer who can perform a role within a successful team. Drive and competitiveness would be more important to me.


Reminds me of how we used to blame beards for poor performance a decade ago.


i dont think any of our players have beards, and they are all crap.

perhaps the lack of beards is causing our players to be trash, rather than their personality type

its a known fact (made up entirely by me) that beards make you 100% tougher

bring back the beard, warch our boys win everything, just like sir robert klomp

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Saady still has a beard, non? As for the rest, I think the wispy little adolescent toilet brushes they'd produce would make us look even weaker. Best to shave daily and maintain the illusion of being beard-capable.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:19 pm 
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Good to see Mitch Hardie picked up in the mid season draft
Reckon he will go ok
If he does just yet another example of late bloomers


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:26 pm 
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A few beards here.
Williams had one then did his knee. Maybe the hair unbalanced him.
Harry had one too. And look what it did to his kicking.
Pitto and Hewett have minor growths happening and we know how well they have fared with injury.
Cotters and LOB look like they've walked off the set of an 80s porn film.
I think beards ought to be avoided at all costs based on this evidence.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:16 pm 
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The only solace I can take from our list is that we actually have some good young running players on the list.
Cotters, Boyd, Hollands, Walsh, Binns, even Little Durds and Motters if the club can improve their tanks.


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