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Do our talls offer these qualities? Are they important?

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We need to trade out some players on big coin whilst they have currency
Over the next few years
Go back to the draft and get kids
The opposite to what we have done in the past
Before Tassie comes in
Our recruiting has to be good by Nick Austin
Otherwise we are stuffed
Happy to trade DeKoning
Think he is overrated and we could get a first rounder
I love Cripps but we need to trade and may get a first rounder
McKay as well
It’s obvious we have an average team
Time to recognize the faults

yeah it's time to blow it up and cash in while we have value.


let brian cook have complete autonomy over the club with no sandbagging from the ridiculous board who know jack shit about the actual game - let cook sack coaches, trade out players, bring in draft picks, trade back in players who are going to fit our dna moving forward and let cook create our identity.

Cripps, mckay, de koning, walsh, motlop and anyone else with trade value can go. bring back picks

doc is cooked. he's out there jogging around with nothing left.
pittonet - whoever signed him to 4 years, sakc immediately. for the love of god.


we need an identity, we need a gameplan and we need players who want to wear the jersey. we need some players with an edge.

You need to go back and look at what the last 20 or so premiers did.
Sure they built through the draft as we have but all have them brought in big money recruits and free agents.
We have been unlucky that McGovern Williams and Martin have been injured a lot

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All premiership teams have had their beginnings at the draft. That’s where your base is.
I’m not against bringing in players from other clubs and giving away picks but only when your ready
If you go back to the McGovern and Setterfield trades we were coming off our worst ever season
Clearly SOS had stuffed too many picks up plus the spuds he had picked up from other clubs which he justified by saying you can’t just play kids.
Sam Mitchell and Hawthorn are trying to put a pin in the mythical philosophy .
Adding to this is this messiah approach which has been a cancer on this club

McGovern Williams Martin did not achieve enough at their previous clubs to warrant their pay packets
McKay has one good season then is given an eight year mega contract

At what point does the club realise it ain’t the coach that’s the problem. it’s List Management and an underlying environment of overrating players

Signing Pittonet and Young on long term cheap deals just compounds the problem
Other clubs like Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney are going past us
Even North look reasonable
They have some good kids

Carlton’s problem lies in its past
A club that demanded success
In too much of a rush for success
Overrating the spectacular

Do this in today’s footy environment and your in massive trouble

Voss needs a tactical hand and a harder edge with his assistance .
No doubt
But it’s List Management and the club’s underlying culture that’s the core of its problems

Melbourne said we won't get Lever May Brown we will go to draft.
Richmond said we won't get Lynch Prestia Nank we will go to draft
Geelong said we won't get Danger Cameron Rohan Stewart Touhy Stengle we will go to the draft

You are either clueless or just like arguments for arguments sake.

Martin McGovern and Williams back fired.
It happens

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Until we can get other options to kick goals we are going no where.

It's Harry and Curnow only. Papley would have been nice.

Agree with what you said SB, but personally, not ready to put a line through Zac W just yet. Quality player with another 3 years to run on his contract. Happy to judge whether that one backfired or not then.

Our current list very much reminds me of the aints list in the early 90s. I remember looking at this list and seeing to gun big forwards - Lockett and Loewe, the likes of Harvey, Winmar and Burke across the midfield and Spud on the last line. Thinking to myself, they should have done more than they did. However, after them, the had maybe 5 or 6 decent players and from there it fell away quickly.
Like us currently, our top end is as good as anyones (they are just out of form and/or down on confidence atm), got a handful of decent players but after that to quote Gordon Ramsay, what we have is shit on top of shit on top of shit on top shit.

As long as they can perform a role. They are shit because we are playing like shit.

We are considered to be the St Kilda of the 21st century, so the comparison makes sense.

It’s been pretty obvious to me that we have insufficient quality and an unbalanced list. Even if our top end are firing, we are a middle table team at best. With our top end struggling, we are playing like a bottom 6 team.

Argument for argument sake
Richmond’s 3 premierships were born with the recruitment of Rance, Cotchin,Martin and Riewoldt
1 defender
1 forward
2 mids one an all time great
Who have we recruited on 2015
Curnow yep
McKay maybe
Weitering yep
???????
Prestia was a direct swap with GC for future first and second rounders
Given Richmond and GC s position on the ladder Richmond won on that deal

Yes they recruited some big names like Lynch
But how about the 9 guys per premiership year at Tigerland that came with picks over 50
Rookie picks pre season picks mid season picks
Guys like Short Broad Baker
I could go on about Melbourne and Geelong but why bother
I won’t call you clueless but do your research
Our recruiting is shit
Period

Go back to the Dow Obrien draft if we would have packaged those 2 top 10 picks up for Toby or Papley or Charlie Cameron and offered ant them 7 years at 800k per year. You would have gone into meltdown.
But right now any of those 3 would be the difference between us sitting in the 8 and sitting 13th.
Would you have given up 2 top 10 picks for Half forward.

The draft is a lottery always has been always will be.

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I believe we have the core but there are holes in our list that need addressing
Issue is lack of picks and Salary Cap.
Like the Pies last year we need to make some tough decisions. TDK & McGovern should give us some picks anbd relieve the Salary Cap
Will make some angry but if Cripps wanted to go back to WA I'd do it but only if he wants
I don't see any others that are worth much

Our core moving forward is Walsh Cerra Weitering McKay Pittonet Charlie Hollands Motlop Durdin Owies Kemp Cowan Lemmey Binns Boyd Cincotta Kennedy Hewett Young. Doc & Saad are older but keepers

Trade TDK & McGovern, do some deals for more picks. Is there another Bowes/Pick 7 available?
Gresham, Jordan are FA's, Flanders from GCS, Bergamn fro Port are available and there will be many more cheaper options like Acres

The other issue is coaching. We need a statistical guru plus we need a skills coach.

Things can turn quickly but the right changes need to be made. Culture and Mediocrity is still my biggest concern

Nice try
Maybe you just don’t get how important recruiting is
Is the draft a lottery
To an extent
But some recruiters like Stephen Wells are better at it than the likes of SOS
And you get players from those areas I
mentioned .
9 players played on average in Tiger Premiership teams coming from mid rookie preseason picks over 50
Go back over the last 8 years and have a look at our recruiting
It’s disgraceful
And what do we do
Sack coaches
With every loss when will it dawn on people that the recruiting philosophy has to change

Wells give me a break he was blessed with Father/Sons and traded his way to a flag.
If we traded away draft picks like he did you would be crying . 10 players who played in the grand final came from other clubs

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Interesting that Wells selected 25 year old Mitch Hardie from Woodville West -Torrens
Now he might not make it as an AFL player but he fits the profile of a late developer
Richmond excelled at getting these types of players

We tend to miss out on the diamonds in the rough
Interesting to see how he goes

Boyd and Cincotta are 2 examples for us
Obviously Boyd is rated highly by Voss

Your delusional now
Double your research
Look at Geelong as well
Scarlett, Hawkins Ablett yeah they were lucky there
Tel me about the draft of Enright
Milburn Harry Taylor Kelly Chapman( Michael Mansfield)
Seriously mate

Even more important now exit Cunningham Marchbank Philp McGovern and TDK if they don’t want to be here
Dow will go but I don’t get that doesn’t seem to rated at Carlton a bit like stocker Obrien must be on thin ice
Fogarty also must be gone

Yippee looking at another early draft pick-make sure we get a good one please

Sign kemp up

Draft is only a means of getting someone into your system.

Our system wouldn't let any talented draftee thrive

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