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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2023 10:48 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Clubs will get another free hit at one of our players. They don't need to bother to trade for Paddy.
He will sign on as a DFA with whoever he wants or wants him. He knows that and clubs know that!!!!
Don't try to sell it any other way.

Dow had a player option on his last contract. Vossy told him - and us - that he wasn’t going to play.

Paddy either didn’t get the message, or ignored it, and opted in. If he lets that option slide, he gets traded last year.


If true, ridiculous to say to a player that he won’t play him. Every player on the list should be up for selection if good enough.

Considering the predictability of our midfield, I think he has deserved a chance to play in the senior team.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/26/ ... lton-deal/

SEN Chief Reporter Sam Edmund has moved to clear up some of the debate surrounding the four-year contract handed to Carlton ruckman Marc Pittonet.

The deal has come under criticism for its length, particularly given the Blues are in contract talks with Tom De Koning, and with the volume of ruckmen around the league.

However, Edmund revealed that significant outside interest in the 26-year-old ruckman forced them to up their offer.

“Just as an aside, the four-year deal that raised the collective eyebrow: What may very well surprise you is the interest in Pittonet from rival clubs was nearly double that of De Koning,” Edmund told SEN’s The Captain’s Run.

“There was significant rival interest in Pittonet, particularly in the form of long-term contracts offers.

“The Blues would have preferred to offer Pittonet a shorter term deal, but in this caper sometimes you have the whip hand and sometimes you don’t.

“Of the legitimate ruckmen as well, Pittonet has the highest percentage of hit-outs to advantage from his taps. He has stuff to work on, but he is a stable and hard-working player said to be great for club culture.

“Now, he only wanted to speak to the Blues in terms of a new deal, but that was only going to last so long and come the bye rounds, should a deal not have been struck, then other clubs would’ve been getting in front of him.

“And the Blues couldn’t have expected him to sign a shorter deal when longer ones were lying in wait elsewhere.”

Edmund also provided an update on the De Koning contract situation, with the likes of Geelong, St Kilda, Sydney and Essendon* linked to him.

“Now, the Blues could lose De Koning – that one is going the distance and there’s no decision on that any time soon,” he said.

“Carlton have had a two-year deal in front of him for some time. Some water has since gone under the bridge there. Geelong value him the same as Carlton financially.

“The Blues envisaged a scenario where they could have lost both ruckmen. This way, Pittonet’s four-year deal gives the club some flexibility to push money around.

“They want De Koning to stay, they’re happy with the two-year contract for him. If he fulfills his potential, then great, and if he fulfills his potential and leaves under free agency in a couple of years, then the compensation will be significant.

“For now, they’re hoping he sees enough to stay in navy blue.”

Pittonet has consistently served as Carlton’s number one ruckman over the last two seasons, with the exception being the games he missed with injury in 2022.

De Koning has been named to take on Sydney on Friday night, after a stint in the VFL with the Blues struggling to balance playing both of them.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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If that is how it has all played out and is what is possible with TDK going forward.
Then it's pretty hard as a supporter to not see any sense in the way they have gone about it all.
Well played by the club.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2023 12:52 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Crusader wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Clubs will get another free hit at one of our players. They don't need to bother to trade for Paddy.
He will sign on as a DFA with whoever he wants or wants him. He knows that and clubs know that!!!!
Don't try to sell it any other way.

Dow had a player option on his last contract. Vossy told him - and us - that he wasn’t going to play.

Paddy either didn’t get the message, or ignored it, and opted in. If he lets that option slide, he gets traded last year.



Given his form, to not give him a chance is shortsighted.

It does not set the right tone and damages trust.

Voss should coach the 2s based on performance, maybe then Dow would get that chance



If selection was based on purely the number of possessions a player gets then fair enough.
If its based on the efficiency of those possessions then maybe not.


I’d rather have the ball than not. Efficiency in the ones isn’t exactly off the charts


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2023 1:11 pm 
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/26/how-significant-rival-interest-led-to-marc-pittonets-four-year-carlton-deal/

SEN Chief Reporter Sam Edmund has moved to clear up some of the debate surrounding the four-year contract handed to Carlton ruckman Marc Pittonet.

The deal has come under criticism for its length, particularly given the Blues are in contract talks with Tom De Koning, and with the volume of ruckmen around the league.

However, Edmund revealed that significant outside interest in the 26-year-old ruckman forced them to up their offer.

“Just as an aside, the four-year deal that raised the collective eyebrow: What may very well surprise you is the interest in Pittonet from rival clubs was nearly double that of De Koning,” Edmund told SEN’s The Captain’s Run.

“There was significant rival interest in Pittonet, particularly in the form of long-term contracts offers.

“The Blues would have preferred to offer Pittonet a shorter term deal, but in this caper sometimes you have the whip hand and sometimes you don’t.

“Of the legitimate ruckmen as well, Pittonet has the highest percentage of hit-outs to advantage from his taps. He has stuff to work on, but he is a stable and hard-working player said to be great for club culture.

“Now, he only wanted to speak to the Blues in terms of a new deal, but that was only going to last so long and come the bye rounds, should a deal not have been struck, then other clubs would’ve been getting in front of him.

“And the Blues couldn’t have expected him to sign a shorter deal when longer ones were lying in wait elsewhere.”

Edmund also provided an update on the De Koning contract situation, with the likes of Geelong, St Kilda, Sydney and Essendon** linked to him.

“Now, the Blues could lose De Koning – that one is going the distance and there’s no decision on that any time soon,” he said.

“Carlton have had a two-year deal in front of him for some time. Some water has since gone under the bridge there. Geelong value him the same as Carlton financially.

“The Blues envisaged a scenario where they could have lost both ruckmen. This way, Pittonet’s four-year deal gives the club some flexibility to push money around.

“They want De Koning to stay, they’re happy with the two-year contract for him. If he fulfills his potential, then great, and if he fulfills his potential and leaves under free agency in a couple of years, then the compensation will be significant.

“For now, they’re hoping he sees enough to stay in navy blue.”

Pittonet has consistently served as Carlton’s number one ruckman over the last two seasons, with the exception being the games he missed with injury in 2022.

De Koning has been named to take on Sydney on Friday night, after a stint in the VFL with the Blues struggling to balance playing both of them.


There you go for those who may think Pitto doesn't have suitors and offers outside of Carlton.

Lets hear it for Austin: Great sign up by Carlton :clap:

and a cheer to Pitto who only wanted to deal with carlton :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2023 1:12 pm 
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WOW wrote:
Crusader wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Clubs will get another free hit at one of our players. They don't need to bother to trade for Paddy.
He will sign on as a DFA with whoever he wants or wants him. He knows that and clubs know that!!!!
Don't try to sell it any other way.

Dow had a player option on his last contract. Vossy told him - and us - that he wasn’t going to play.

Paddy either didn’t get the message, or ignored it, and opted in. If he lets that option slide, he gets traded last year.


If true, ridiculous to say to a player that he won’t play him. Every player on the list should be up for selection if good enough.


This

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2023 1:35 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
WOW wrote:
Crusader wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Clubs will get another free hit at one of our players. They don't need to bother to trade for Paddy.
He will sign on as a DFA with whoever he wants or wants him. He knows that and clubs know that!!!!
Don't try to sell it any other way.

Dow had a player option on his last contract. Vossy told him - and us - that he wasn’t going to play.

Paddy either didn’t get the message, or ignored it, and opted in. If he lets that option slide, he gets traded last year.


If true, ridiculous to say to a player that he won’t play him. Every player on the list should be up for selection if good enough.


This

Voss made it very clear at the start of his tenure that there was only two spots for inside mids in his game plan.

One is Cripps, which means there is only one spot up for grabs.

Kennedy is the incumbent, then there are a handful of others in different roles, led by George & Doc, that are better inside mids than Dow.

It was a poor choice of words on my part to say that he wasn’t going to play. No coach would say that.

The key takeaway is that Paddy Dow was shown just how far down he is in the pecking order. He chose to stay and fight for his spot. His choice.

He isn’t taking any ground of Kennedy as a the #2 and the goalposts are shifting as Vossy is crying out for defensive effort in the midfield. George’s spot is looking wobbly, so the side doors are closing as well.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2023 3:02 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
WOW wrote:
Crusader wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Clubs will get another free hit at one of our players. They don't need to bother to trade for Paddy.
He will sign on as a DFA with whoever he wants or wants him. He knows that and clubs know that!!!!
Don't try to sell it any other way.

Dow had a player option on his last contract. Vossy told him - and us - that he wasn’t going to play.

Paddy either didn’t get the message, or ignored it, and opted in. If he lets that option slide, he gets traded last year.


If true, ridiculous to say to a player that he won’t play him. Every player on the list should be up for selection if good enough.


This

Voss made it very clear at the start of his tenure that there was only two spots for inside mids in his game plan.

One is Cripps, which means there is only one spot up for grabs.

Kennedy is the incumbent, then there are a handful of others in different roles, led by George & Doc, that are better inside mids than Dow.

It was a poor choice of words on my part to say that he wasn’t going to play. No coach would say that.

The key takeaway is that Paddy Dow was shown just how far down he is in the pecking order. He chose to stay and fight for his spot. His choice.

He isn’t taking any ground of Kennedy as a the #2 and the goalposts are shifting as Vossy is crying out for defensive effort in the midfield. George’s spot is looking wobbly, so the side doors are closing as well.


Correct, however Voss’s response hasn’t been challenged with why didn’t Dow get a game when we had mids out injured (including Kennedy)


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2023 3:26 pm 
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Cornes article about Cripps maybe never playing a final.
Cornes really is a dick


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2023 3:34 pm 
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I don't have a problem with pitto knee per se. But if you read between the lines of the puff piece we were a bit redacted in the ruck if he left, which would seem true. Mirov, silvagni aren't working out, de kong isn't setting the world on fire and might do the casboult outta here. Seems like another dreadful situation. Perhaps it is indeed a bravo pitto knee

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2023 3:56 pm 
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Dow is about as OUT as you can be.

Papers stamped clearly.

Hope it doesn't backfire. I think his hands and handballing and speed at stoppages and in traffic are of a high standard.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2023 6:47 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Dow is about as OUT as you can be.

Papers stamped clearly.

Hope it doesn't backfire. I think his hands and handballing and speed at stoppages and in traffic are of a high standard.

Not sure who you’re watching.

Dow wears #2.

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Cornes article about Cripps maybe never playing a final.
Cornes really is a dick
Doesn't get many wrong I reckon...

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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2023 11:50 pm 
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We are a team that's mostly made up of players from other clubs, & we play like it

We need to hit the trade table hard, trade out some good players for picks for once. Why not try to have 4 picks in the first 25 & build a midfield that can actually grow together, like Port did. We seriously need to before it's too late.

This rebuild has not worked.

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I don't know what more Carlton supporters can do to make their voices heard. Do we need to start a revolution and take up Arms?


I will say it for the billionth Time.....The same old Story I keep repeating


" Back in 2004, I was very involved with the club and I was so angry and upset that the club decided to build up a team out of recycled players, instead of facing reality, spending few years at the bottom and building from there.

What followed after is the refusal of the club board to accept No Success short term. They kept giving away picks for recycled players and they thought with Money, they can Win Flags ( Aka bringing Judd to the club ).

The Real problem with our Club is that We do not invest nor develop Young players. We do not have the patience to see if young players can become something. We have no Strategy and no interest in any Long term development of the young.

We continue to give away picks and always look for the cheat option. The cheap option.


Look at Dow & Obrian. Both were top 10 or 20 picks. Both have lots of Talent but they lack Development. They lack direction and persistence. Same with Fisher... Where is he now? GONE!

We bring in players and then delist them after 1-2 years only because we have no time to develop and invest in them!

20 years on, and the Same thing continues to happen.. year after year!


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 7:10 am 
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The club has only itself to blame with its current predicament. It has a multitude of issues and it’s just not list management.

It has foolishly decided to top up with established players when it wasn’t ready. Martin, McGovern, Williams, Cerra and Saad. It has cost the club significant portions of the salary cap and top 10 draft picks. With little results to date.

Time has been wasted on players who were meant to be the nucleus of our next premiership team but eventuated to nothing. Should have made earlier decisions about trading players like SPS, Fisher and Dow when they had some value. Instead we kept them on the list for too long and will get little in return for that significant investment. We could have been developing other players.

We have just signed Pittonet to 4 years. Apparently because our hand was forced due to interest from other clubs. Why do we get ourselves in such situations. He is a lumbering ruckman and is a pretty average choice for a first ruck. Poor list management.

Our midfield is slow and unbalanced. Why recruit players like Hewitt which makes the problem bigger. This demonstrates a lack of foresight in establishing a team that will win a premiership. Instead, we overrate our position because we are so desperate for success.

The lack of a cohesive game plan has been a constant for years. Due to our ineptitude, we have not developed systems that will bring us sustainable success. The constant losing and changing of coaches and players has created a lack of continuity. As a result we continually look disjointed. We need to develop a brand and identity. Haven’t see this for years.

One of the first decisions to be made is to sack Brad Lloyd. As the person in charge of football operations he has failed miserably. Not sure how he survived the 2021 review.

I don’t think we have a choice. The club should reset its list. Unfortunately we don’t have much trade capital and no 2nd or 3rd round picks in this year’s draft. However, smart clubs bite the bullet and make tough decisions to get better. May mean trading a player like Harry McKay.


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 7:58 am 
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Agree totally with those posts
They nail it.
To add to the problem the club have not looked at the lower leagues enough
Look at other clubs littered with players from WAFL SANFL

What do we do
Go the messiah approach
To all the posters who think the clubs rebuild is temporarily stopped pull your head out of the dark ages
It doesn’t work
Example
Cerra is a very good player
But given the position we were in to give up a first and third rounder for a Docker midfield who was the fourth or fifth best mid is the messiah approach

This club is well and truly at the crossroads again because with guys like Cerra on long term deals on big coin the club is forced to sign average players like Pittonet and Young for less money but long term deals

The club continues to make bad non long decisions based on their view that the list is capable of making top 4
It ain’t and with Tassie coming in and their draft concessions they will receive the club simply must make some tough calls

Back when SOS became list manager he was going to start from the ground up
He didn’t picking spuds from other clubs in many cases
There was no bottoming out at all

As the poster said previously the club has always gone for instant success recruiting overrated players paying them too much for too long and giving away picks in the draft
I like what Hawthorn are doing
We need to do the same
But that’s difficult when your forced to pay Pittonet and Young little over 4 and 3 years to balance the books


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 9:19 am 
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WOW wrote:
The club has only itself to blame with its current predicament. It has a multitude of issues and it’s just not list management.

It has foolishly decided to top up with established players when it wasn’t ready. Martin, McGovern, Williams, Cerra and Saad. It has cost the club significant portions of the salary cap and top 10 draft picks. With little results to date.

Time has been wasted on players who were meant to be the nucleus of our next premiership team but eventuated to nothing. Should have made earlier decisions about trading players like SPS, Fisher and Dow when they had some value. Instead we kept them on the list for too long and will get little in return for that significant investment. We could have been developing other players.

We have just signed Pittonet to 4 years. Apparently because our hand was forced due to interest from other clubs. Why do we get ourselves in such situations. He is a lumbering ruckman and is a pretty average choice for a first ruck. Poor list management.

Our midfield is slow and unbalanced. Why recruit players like Hewitt which makes the problem bigger. This demonstrates a lack of foresight in establishing a team that will win a premiership. Instead, we overrate our position because we are so desperate for success.

The lack of a cohesive game plan has been a constant for years. Due to our ineptitude, we have not developed systems that will bring us sustainable success. The constant losing and changing of coaches and players has created a lack of continuity. As a result we continually look disjointed. We need to develop a brand and identity. Haven’t see this for years.

One of the first decisions to be made is to sack Brad Lloyd. As the person in charge of football operations he has failed miserably. Not sure how he survived the 2021 review.

I don’t think we have a choice. The club should reset its list. Unfortunately we don’t have much trade capital and no 2nd or 3rd round picks in this year’s draft. However, smart clubs bite the bullet and make tough decisions to get better. May mean trading a player like Harry McKay.

Good post. What you describe is a failing football department and the head of that department must be removed. Time for a fresh set of eyes at the helm of the football department. Someone who can assess the failings and start making dispassionate moves to fix this club. We’re sitting at the station for the train that is never arriving. Time to realise that and act accordingly.


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 3:29 pm 
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Got stuck watching the replay this morning, on the back of watching the NBA playoffs wall to wall, and a large chunk of the recent NFL season, I'm convinced of the following:

The half forward flank is the most underdeveloped position in the game. In its relatively infant form, teams have probably overlooked the work of Stevie J over the years, and dismissed it as just on-field genius, rather than deliberate efforts to put value on goal assists, and giving teammates in the forward line the best looks that suit their individual skill sets.

You watch a game of AFL - in particular ours - and you realize that teams have very little regard for how tactical their inside 50s should be. There's no set plays akin to a point guard and a centre combining for a pick and roll, or a quarterback using a running back to do a jets sweep move. There's intent to move the ball quickly or deliberately, there's setup as far as structure, and the key forwards have leading patterns for the purpose of creating space, trying to run their opponents off their feet, but rarely do we see on-field plays called, do we see individual players targetted to get to a particular space, or even give guys a look that suits their skill set.

If we're going to play a style that has a shallow ball entry - as a bare minimum, it requires a quarterback/point guard type player who is not only capable of making the snap decisions to call the right plays, but also the skillset to execute it - whether its the foot skills to hit a 20-30m pass in their sleep, the spatial awareness of players around them to know their options. At the moment - Walsh plays the half forward role, but its to accommodate the restrictions of 6-6-6. Is he capable to play such a role? I'd have question marks on both ball use and decision making, but ultimately, I'd say he's the best on our list that ticks those boxes. Maybe Doc.

The role should have the KPIs of being the best goal-assist player in the competition. If we're going to continue long-term with Harry/Charlie, it's possibly their points per game too.

At the moment - as I've mentioned before, we lack a comfortable spread of scoring options beyond Charlie/Harry, which necessitates bombing it long to Darcy Moore/Nick Blakey to some degree, we've missed Owies and Martin for most of the year, the third tall remains up for grabs, two of the three small forwards are still developing. What are our set plays that give Durdin and Motlop, even to a lesser extent Owies the best chance of getting on the scoreboard, using their particular skillsets? Is their instructions currently just limited to providing forward pressure?

Richo made a fantastic point on the coverage last night about our lack of forward options being prepared to offer dummy leads/unrewarded leads to clear space for the real targets. It's why I hate TDK as the third tall, because he won't ever do it, and just skunks out the back to try and climb a pack. How much is this being looked at as part of the forward line pressure KPIs? It's not just tackles and our capacity to lock the ball in our forward 50, it's the repeat lead efforts that go unrewarded, deliberately or otherwise. Silvagni could do this - instead we legitimately kick it to him and hope that a career 60% shooter is reliable.

I'm curious how much coaches have looked at the sustained success of the Golden State Warriors over the past decade, and see how it can be applied to our game, or whether the constant US junkets are just that.

For the time being, the Warriors have been successful at proving that the mid-range shot is dead. You look at some of the names in the NBA who have either ended up going from All Star regular to having no career, or needed to find a new role, either as an undersized centre, or developed a capacity to shoot threes.

Do we have guys who can be Stef and Klay? Cursory look over the list says probably not. Do we have any real weapons that are an offensive threat from outside 50 on a regular basis? For what it's worth - we sit 9th in the comp since start of 2019 for the highest percentage of shots on goal from outside 50 with 28%, and equal tenth for accuracy. (Sydney with 33% of their shots on goal from outside 50 the comp leader, which is probably reflective of the size of the SCG, and Geelong at 40% accuracy the competition leaders). I think it's an area we could use Acres better if nothing else. Interestingly - the conversion rate of shots from outside 50 as a competition is better than the best NBA teams from three-point range which is sitting around 38%. Imagine the rate if teams actually focused on this.

When I say the mid-range jumper is dead in the NBA - it staggers me that it hasn't flowed onto the AFL. Across the competition, only two teams are averaging better than 50% for shots between 25 to 49m over the past 3 years. (West Coast and Sydney at 53 and 51% respectively), we average 44% and take the 8th most shots from that range in the competition, with a trend for teams with the more dominant forwards taking the most shots from here. At what point do we start looking at that so far as our defensive structure, that we're prepared to let teams have this space in their forward 50, and rely on inaccurate kicking?

I think if we start taking more shots from outside 50, it probably helps with our other issue - defending kick-ins, if we're already set up and not so far forward inside our 50.

Why does our game not follow the trends everywhere else? Are we still so deep-rooted in the Lyon/Roos ethos that we're still catching up to the rest of the world? The highest scoring team in the Premier League has only not won the title once in the past fifteen years. The Kansas City Chiefs put up outrageous video game scores every week and other franchises are attempting to emulate that. The points per minute averages in the NBA continue to soar at similar levels.

I think we can fix the Harry/Charlie issues by focusing on having them take more shots from inside 25m, almost replicating the Lakers' Lob City setup that won a title in 2020 and defied the trend of outside shooting. To do it - we need that a high half-forward flank that can create, we need coaches who look to run routes with an active purpose of bringing players' individual skillsets into the game - ideally we've got as many as ten guys a game who we have a set play in mind to get them a shot on goal (set shot or in play) that the opposition need to cater for, currently we've got three on a good day, we need guys that effectively act as running backs, to hand it off and be a weapon from long range, and stretch the opposition defence. We need to avoid the shots from 25 to 49m.

At the moment, we do not have the players that fit that.


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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 4:20 pm 
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Wayne Johnston

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Excellent points Rod, I couldn’t believe how stagnant our forward line was the entire night, it’s not so obvious until you actually see it live. Every time we got the ball to the wing/hbf the kicker would look up and see all the players ahead of him standing still, and no one running from behind.

I was screaming at our players to make a lead, move, do something, but they all stood still and waited for the 50m bomb straight up the line, and all the defenders congregated there to either mark it or sweep it away once the ball had been brought to ground.

The other way there were always 3-4 swans players on the far side of the ground, waiting unmarked for the switch.

It was pathetic.


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