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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:58 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
I don't know what it is but something tells me the kids we drafted in the last draft might end up terrific players for us, that it will be a great draft.
They all looked really fit for drafted kids, they can kick and have a bit of dash. Just seems the right ingredients.



With the Acres Trade filling a gap, Hollands, Cowan, Binns and Lemmey have plenty of time to develop. Many are suggesting Hollands can compete at AFL level. No pressure to do so. If they stay fit as they have thus far inm their career, Acres and Cottrell will be great on the wings for us. If Hollands passes either, then we have a beauty on our hands.

We have definitely improved our list.

Having watched all the 2022 games again this week, I got to see Honey again. I didn't really notice him during the year, but I can see why I thought he would be best 23 prior to 2022 season. I didnt really notice kemp either during the 2022 season, but having watched the games, with less emotion, Kempy did really well too. So often he was looking after a player who was much bigger then him (Taberner, Lobb, Ryder...).

What I'm getting at is this list now has reliable replacements for our injury prone players Martin, Gov, Marchy and Williams: Honey, Boyd, S.Durdin, Kemp...


I agree it is a good list.

Just need to develop the game plan and reduce the stupid mistakes (situational football as they say).

The best teams make the least mistakes.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:55 am 
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So there’s 10 days until list deadline and we have as many as 5 x LTIs. As far as we know, Williams is the only one ruled out for the year so there’s at least one spot available.

Ideally, this close to the season you want someone who is already training within our system. So that would mean looking at:
Ronke - 25, small forward, ex Swans
McMahon - 20, tall defender/forward, ex Pies
Parks - 21, medium defender/forward, ex Blues
Crocker - 25, medium forward, ex Pies & Crows
Cahill - 21, small forward, ex Bombers
Leiu - 19, medium/tall defender
Cincotta - 26, small/medium defender
Maher - 20, inside midfielder
Lewis - 20, tall defender
Moschetti - 19, small forward
Ramshaw - 20, small defender

All except Ronke & McMahon played with our reserves last year. I was impressed with Cincotta’s season (2nd in B&F) and he would address a need (running HB), but he’s perhaps not skilful or young enough. Leiu was impressive too but he doesn’t really address a need, and I suspect he is seen as being a yard slow.

Parks & Ronke - assuming both are fit - would be the front runners from the above list. Neither are a like-for-like replacement for Williams, but both seem the most AFL ready to me.

Outside of our VFL program, the first name I thought of was Tom Phillips. Ex Hawks & Pies (26), wing/HB, signed with Essendon* VFL for 2023. What players training with other state league sides should we be looking at?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Leiu in lieu of Williams

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:11 pm 
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I'd love to get Leiu into our system.

Is Sydney Stack worth trialling?

Mature players like Markov Narkle & Phillips


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:24 pm 
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With Boyd & Williams inj (I hope Boyd will be back early in season) we need some options at HB

Cuningham Cottrell Honey Hollands Curnow are all players I believe could play the role if given the opportunity

We now have Docherty Saad Newman Plowman Cowan as genuine mid size/running defenders


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:56 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
With Boyd & Williams inj (I hope Boyd will be back early in season) we need some options at HB

Cuningham Cottrell Honey Hollands Curnow are all players I believe could play the role if given the opportunity

We now have Docherty Saad Newman Plowman Cowan as genuine mid size/running defenders

Walsh will be back before Cottrell, Cuningham is a mystery (but not really), and Hollands would be isolated by the better forward lines.

Jack Carroll played half back/wing as a junior & is strong in the air. I’ve got him down as an outsid mid while we’re waiting for Walsh & Cottrell to return & Hollands/Binns to gain some experience. Even if Vossy wants to put O’Brien out there, Carroll would find a role in the rotation.

Honestly, we’re more desperate for outside run than semi-accountable half backs.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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If I was associated with Josh Honey, I’d be pushing for him to go to the backline..
he’s now 3-4th behind Motlop, Durdin, Fisher and perhaps Owies. Martin is also ahead of him although he plays taller and is injury prone..
I think honey has all the attributes to play half back

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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CK95 wrote:
Leiu in lieu of Williams

Fill-ins for Willams

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:29 pm 
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choo wrote:
If I was associated with Josh Honey, I’d be pushing for him to go to the backline..
he’s now 3-4th behind Motlop, Durdin, Fisher and perhaps Owies. Martin is also ahead of him although he plays taller and is injury prone..
I think honey has all the attributes to play half back


Re Honey at HB, so do I.
Has close to the best closing down speed at Carlton.
He's strong and hits hard.
And quick enough to create the overlap.

I look at the times he runs to the right place, rather than the stat.
He creates an option, an opportunity.
He got ignored a lot last year, and I'm sure the coaches told him so.
That was at HF.

He was in the match sim last week, so his up and at it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:33 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
With Boyd & Williams inj (I hope Boyd will be back early in season) we need some options at HB

Cuningham Cottrell Honey Hollands Curnow are all players I believe could play the role if given the opportunity

We now have Docherty Saad Newman Plowman Cowan as genuine mid size/running defenders


Honestly, we’re more desperate for outside run than semi-accountable half backs.


I agree.

Hence LOB being important. I hope Cottrell plays sooner than later. He's the other one.
Reporter on SEN said Cottrell would be right for round 1, and did a lot of work before before injury.

Cerra is it in the midfield group, buty he plays more inside.
Walsh is elusive and a freak, and can do anything. I still feel he gets sucked inside. He'
sa ball hunter. An accumulator.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:16 am 
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Oleg Markov ???

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Oleg Markov ???

What are his foot skills like? From memory, that was the knock on him.

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 Post subject: List Management 2023
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Well, not as good as Ohand Kickov's, granted

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:34 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
choo wrote:
If I was associated with Josh Honey, I’d be pushing for him to go to the backline..
he’s now 3-4th behind Motlop, Durdin, Fisher and perhaps Owies. Martin is also ahead of him although he plays taller and is injury prone..
I think honey has all the attributes to play half back


Re Honey at HB, so do I.
Has close to the best closing down speed at Carlton.
He's strong and hits hard.
And quick enough to create the overlap.

I look at the times he runs to the right place, rather than the stat.
He creates an option, an opportunity.
He got ignored a lot last year, and I'm sure the coaches told him so.
That was at HF.

He was in the match sim last week, so his up and at it.


I'd like to see him in defence.
Great engine, strong, quick and kicks it a long way.
Wasted as a HF and not a role we need filling


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:10 pm 
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Seems Markov will repalce Williams

Anyone know why GCS axed him? everytime I saw him he looked good.
26 years old, 188cm and can run and is tough

From the outside he looks the perfect replacement especially since he has just done a pre season with the Pies. Should be able to step straight in


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:13 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Seems Markov will repalce Williams

Anyone know why GCS axed him? everytime I saw him he looked good.
26 years old, 188cm and can run and is tough

From the outside he looks the perfect replacement especially since he has just done a pre season with the Pies. Should be able to step straight in


I too was surprised he got delisted. Super quick too. Could break the lines. Maybe as 'sue said, his kicking isn't up to scratch?
If so, he'd have a lot of mates if he came to us.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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rhino27 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Seems Markov will repalce Williams

Anyone know why GCS axed him? everytime I saw him he looked good.
26 years old, 188cm and can run and is tough

From the outside he looks the perfect replacement especially since he has just done a pre season with the Pies. Should be able to step straight in


I too was surprised he got delisted. Super quick too. Could break the lines. Maybe as 'sue said, his kicking isn't up to scratch?
If so, he'd have a lot of mates if he came to us.


Then he can just handball to Saad or Weitering or Cowan or Docherty who are beautiful kicks


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Seems Markov will repalce Williams

Anyone know why GCS axed him? everytime I saw him he looked good.
26 years old, 188cm and can run and is tough

From the outside he looks the perfect replacement especially since he has just done a pre season with the Pies. Should be able to step straight in


I too was surprised he got delisted. Super quick too. Could break the lines. Maybe as 'sue said, his kicking isn't up to scratch?
If so, he'd have a lot of mates if he came to us.


Then he can just handball to Saad or Weitering or Cowan or Docherty who are beautiful kicks


Works for me.
Have we def signed him or is it a rumour at this point?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:38 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Seems Markov will repalce Williams

Anyone know why GCS axed him? everytime I saw him he looked good.
26 years old, 188cm and can run and is tough

From the outside he looks the perfect replacement especially since he has just done a pre season with the Pies. Should be able to step straight in


I too was surprised he got delisted. Super quick too. Could break the lines. Maybe as 'sue said, his kicking isn't up to scratch?
If so, he'd have a lot of mates if he came to us.


Then he can just handball to Saad or Weitering or Cowan or Docherty who are beautiful kicks


Works for me.
Have we def signed him or is it a rumour at this point?


Strong rumour


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